All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[GindyPosts]

It really depends on your view of the North at this time too. People were for abolition but Blacks were not always welcome up there. And the argument of Freemen of color falls under the same issues of George Washington as Freemen of color saw slaves the same way the French Big whites did. They happily kept them in shackles and maid a tidy profit of the work. That's not even to mention the varying hierarchy between house slaves and feild slaves, and the whole issue of privilege there, and also tribesmen and those born in America or the west indies as they did not see themselves as African, nor did they see themselves as Europeans. So there's a lot more going on.

The other reality is, when you talk about racial discrimination, people typically view it as exclusively a Southern problem what with the documented records of Jim Crow and everything, and that's because in the South, there wasn't an obvious presence of a wealth gap between the rich and the poor, so laws had to be made. In the North, there was an obvious gap between the haves and have nots (to which many blacks wound up as due to a lack of access to good paying jobs or quality education), so you did not need to institutionalize discrimination because there was a systematic form of discrimination in place when it came to wealth. And the ones that did break through that had to contend with the uncomfortable reality that people in the North weren't as open minded as they expected.

During Reconstruction, Freemen actually were able to make progress in business ownership and politics (in other words, now that they were off the plantations, they were ready and willing to start new lives and contribute for themselves and the community, not just for the betterment exclusively to the sharecropper), but some people who were irate at the change in the social system succeeded in putting Jim Crow laws in place and made public opinions on African Americans lessen by creating the illusion that they were crazed hooligans, and that shaped the opinions of the North even further. Like I said; it wasn't as if the whole South was exclusive to bigotry, they were just blatant about it.

It shows us that, whenever we make progress towards human decency, there are always those who fight back and want to revoke that progress, and this shows what happens when they win.

[GindyPosts]

And he came after Dubya who had 9/11 and Katrina on his watch, not to mention wars he started in Iraq and Afghanistan. Makes one wonder if the GOP has someone in the pipeline who could be worse than Trump.

Steve King out of Iowa.

When you think it's safe to ignore people like him...

[worstblogever]

We shall see in November if 2018 was a precursor or an anomaly. But gerrymandering has to be addressed to really end their hold.

People need to remember on the left that '06 was a Blue Wave that led to Obama's election...

And then everyone stayed home in 2010, and we'e been f***ed since.

[shooshoomanjoe]

While this is again the sort of thing that usually isn't worth bothering with...

If this is clearly the issue at hand?



Donald Trump is, at best a non-issue. More to the point, anyone from a part of the political equation that is not going by the name "Democrat" is a non-issue.

The entire point was Biden versus Sanders place in how the regular working person is being represented by the politicians who would claim to be looking out for them. Never mind that one of them gave those working people the means to negotiate a fair compensation package for the work that they do.

Bernie paid his staff $13, had the union not interfere he wouldn't have paid them $15, otherwise he would have paid them $15 from the beginning.

[numberthirty]

Bernie paid his staff $13, had the union not interfere he wouldn't have paid them $15, otherwise he would have paid them $15 from the beginning.

Again, this misses the forest for the trees.

Putting a union in place sets the workers on a path where they do not have to cross their fingers that their employer will decide to pay them fifteen dollars an hour.

It puts them into the driver's seat when it comes to what their employer will be contractually bound to pay them.

If you are sitting there posing the question "Why Didn't He Just Pay Them Fifteen Dollars An Hour?..."?

You have missed the whole point when it comes to workers and just what their place in the bigger picture should be.

Never mind the huge step forward that organizing election staff represents.

Never mind that "Had The Union Not Stepped In..." ignores that Sanders could simply have worked against those employees being able to unionize if he was actually set against paying them above thirteen dollars an hour.

The union did not "Interfere..."

It was unionized as a part of the Sanders' campaign.

[Mister Mets]

Again, this misses the forest for the trees.

Putting a union in place sets the workers on a path where they do not have to cross their fingers that their employer will decide to pay them fifteen dollars an hour.

It puts them into the driver's seat when it comes to what their employer will be contractually bound to pay them.

If you are sitting there posing the question "Why Didn't He Just Pay Them Fifteen Dollars An Hour?..."?

You have missed the whole point when it comes to workers and just what their place in the bigger picture should be.

Never mind the huge step forward that organizing election staff represents.

Never mind that "Had The Union Not Stepped In..." ignores that Sanders could simply have worked against those employees being able to unionize if he was actually set against paying them above thirteen dollars an hour.

The union did not "Interfere..."

It was unionized as a part of the Sanders' campaign.

So Bernie initially paid staff less so that people could pretend there was a point to the union?

[numberthirty]

So Bernie initially paid staff less so that people could pretend there was a point to the union?

While I was not in on negotiations...

From what I have read, it points to that a longer(approaching sixty hour...) work week wound up putting employees working it at something more like a thirteen dollar an hour wage.

As for "There Was A Point To The Union..."

You don't "Pretend" that there is a point to a union. That a union has a point is simple fact.

[shooshoomanjoe]

While I was not in on negotiations...

From what I have read, it points to that a longer(approaching sixty hour...) work week wound up putting employees working it at something more like a thirteen dollar an hour wage.

As for "There Was A Point To The Union..."

You don't "Pretend" that there is a point to a union. That a union has a point is simple fact.

So Bernie went the corporate route and paid his staff salary instead of hourly

[Tendrin]

A decent thread and article on the failure of Bernie's campaign.

https://twitter.com/LemieuxLGM/statu...33896850468865

But defeatism would be the wrong lesson for leftists interested in passing social democratic policies in America and Britain. The reality is that leftist policy has never been more ascendant in the Democratic Party since at least the 1960s if not the 1930s. The Biden 2020 campaign platform is well to the left of the Clinton 2016 platform, which was itself well to the left of the Obama 2008 platform. Every major candidate in the 2020 field ran either on some version of Medicare for All, or at least a public option and Medicare expansion as a pathway toward it.

Though I would argue he is deeply mistaken as to why Labour lost, given the recent news over there on the actual, active sabotage Corbyn saw. Here, from a different article:

The British Labour Party’s handling of antisemitism complaints was hindered by senior party officials who were “working against” party leader Jeremy Corbyn, an extensive internal party investigation has found.
The 860-page report found evidence of a “hyper-factional atmosphere” at the party’s headquarters with regards to Corbyn, who was replaced by former shadow Brexit secretary Keir Starmer as party leader earlier this month.
First reported by Sky News, the document further suggested that opposition to Corbyn was such that key Labour staff went as far as hampering his 2017 general election campaign.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/l...ty-report-says saw.

[PwrdOn]

It really depends on your view of the North at this time too. People were for abolition but Blacks were not always welcome up there. And the argument of Freemen of color falls under the same issues of George Washington as Freemen of color saw slaves the same way the French Big whites did. They happily kept them in shackles and maid a tidy profit of the work. That's not even to mention the varying hierarchy between house slaves and feild slaves, and the whole issue of privilege there, and also tribesmen and those born in America or the west indies as they did not see themselves as African, nor did they see themselves as Europeans. So there's a lot more going on.

None of that would be relevant if not for the slaveholding class entrenching themselves at the top of the socioeconomic hierarchy and creating all of these meaningless distinctions between groups of people to keep fighting each other instead of uniting to topple the plantation aristocracy. The founding fathers nearly all belonged to this class and cynically spouted rhetoric about liberty and democracy because they thought that the British were holding them back from acquiring even more wealth and power, and wanted the "freedom" to steal more land and own more slaves. There of course is a natural tendency for people at the bottom of a hierarchical system to lash out at those one rung above them, but of course the fault ultimately lies with the masters at the top who created the whole toxic system to begin with, the same people that we build monuments to and put on our money.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Steve King out of Iowa.

When you think it's safe to ignore people like him...

I honestly don’t know if anyone would take that whackjob seriously as a presidential candidate.

[PaulBullion]

Turkey's secretary of state resigned after a disastrously planned lock down led to huge crowds of people descended on grocery stores at the same time. The government had announced a complete, 48 hour lock down - 2 hours in advance.

... but President Ergodan refused his resignation, so he is still in office after all.

[PaulBullion]

While I was not in on negotiations...

Wouldn't it have been wonderful if they had asked you to help, though?

[jetengine]

So apparently the situation in China is getting worse for Africans. They are now being removed from their homes. And are being subjected to not being allowed in restaurants and mandatory quarantines and testing, unlike other Chinese citizens.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soci...-reports-black

CNN is also reporting on this:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/10/china...ntl/index.html

Chinese have always been hideously racist, just because they throw money into Africa doesn't mean they like Africans, just means they want their resources.

[jetengine]

A decent thread and article on the failure of Bernie's campaign.

https://twitter.com/LemieuxLGM/statu...33896850468865




Though I would argue he is deeply mistaken as to why Labour lost, given the recent news over there on the actual, active sabotage Corbyn saw. Here, from a different article:



https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/l...ty-report-says saw.

As I've mentioned before, this Brexit situation did NOT help him and neither did his poor relationship with the biased media (Corbyn doesnt sing the national anthem, hours of reporting. Boris Johnson gets ran out of a hosital with staff and patients booing him, edited to look like he was wonderfully received) and his unagressive nature. Dude should of regularly gone for the throat but just let them attack him.