And you wonder why people say Bernie supporters are unreasonable...
You can literally read the thread for yourself, but you demand someone else do the work for you. That isn’t my job. I lived through that slog once, and have no interest in doing it again, especially for someone who doesn’t want to put in the most minimal effort.
Also? Lol. ‘Hatred of Sanders’? Seriously? So criticizing his most fervent and unreasonable supporters = hating him?
Sure, Jan...
Last edited by zinderel; 01-23-2020 at 03:16 PM.
I am aware of that.
Even so, it's not really helpful when it's not somebody that can't run for POTUS.
But that is better than Biden.
Harris, Duckworth, Mayor Pete, Rebecca Pinn, Mohammed Tazbir Alam (recently won man of the year), Patty Murray, Dick Durbin, heck even Warren and Schumer qualify. Many more, too, like Tammy Baldwin, MJ Hegar, and others.
Biden and Bernie need to pass the torch and go home.
"Always listen to the crazy scientist with a weird van or armful of blueprints and diagrams." -- Vibranium
Many people find Bernie unlikable.
Paying for his policies even more so -- especially with mainstream voters.
Again -- nearly all of these criticisms are subjective.
I have yet to hear an objective reason why Sanders supporters think the majority of voters will support paying higher taxes as he intends.
I supported her because I wanted that cop to prosecute Trump, and possibly Barr, and put them in jail.
Republicans won't change until they have to suffer consequences for their criminal behavior.
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I think part of his "cultivation" as a Democratic candidate would be getting exposure to the concerns of minority voters. Not just face time at a black church for a vote. It is currently one of his largest weaknesses. What concerns do those communities have that you aren't really addressing yet in your platform to appeal and earn their votes over others?
Things like that getting more of an education and a larger sample of issues and concerns than he would have had to deal with as Mayor Pete.
Maybe that will open him up and change his views and be more useful as a candidate to a larger section of the Democratic electorate.
I'm not a Bernie Bro or a Bernie Basher but ...
Some of his policies (like most of his healthcare plan) are not about paying for it with higher taxes but taking the current tax structure and reallocating breakdowns to pay for needed objectives.
But some of his plans (like schooling) are about raising taxes.
As an aside, I think Val Demings has bright future for the dems. Same with Zoe Lofgren and Sylvia Garcia.
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"Always listen to the crazy scientist with a weird van or armful of blueprints and diagrams." -- Vibranium
Maybe if I had more clarity on the plan, I might understand it better, but from what I've seen he hasn't even clarified how to pay for it himself.
And that's only one aspect of his policies -- how will the others be paid for? How will he get Republicans to agree to raise/reallocate taxes?
I don't say this to attack Sanders -- I say this because these are key issues that will have to be addressed if he wins the nomination.
With regards to the future of the party -- and candidates like AOC -- I can see that generation taking us in a new direction if only by virtue of demographics, but I don't think we are there yet.
Admittedly, the next election could prove me wrong, but I'll have to see it to believe it.
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"The Sanders plan goes into great detail about the type of coverage Americans would receive. But it provides significantly less detail about how it would finance such a generous health care system. Instead, Sanders released a five-page paper that included a list of financing options, such as a new tax on “extreme wealth.”
Americans’ taxes would have to change to pay for this kind of proposal. But it’s impossible to tell who would pay significantly more for their coverage and who would pay less, and by how much. This is a crucial part of any health care plan, and in the Sanders proposal, it is notably absent.
So while the plan would move the American uninsured rate from around 8.8 percent to, in theory, nearly zero, it’s impossible to tell what it would take to get there and what the bigger economic picture would look like if we did."
https://www.vox.com/2019/4/10/183044...dicare-for-all
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