All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[numberthirty]

And yet we keep hearing how the Bernie supporters are treated unfairly. When is the last time one of them admitted a Bernie flaw? Or defended Biden from an unfair attack.

I'll point out, so far as I've read this thread - that hasn't happened a single time. Meanwhile, there are examples in the last 24 hours of the opposite happening. And yet we hear the whining that they get singled out and no one converses with them.

Perhaps, in a setting like this where discussions can happen, is the time to let your guard down a bit. Otherwise this shit gets old.

If you have an example of Sanders saying that there will be a time later to figure out how "Super Predators" wound up that way?

Let's talk about Sanders being wrong when he said it.

Otherwise?

You have a politician talking about prevention/violence against women/child abuse.

Which anyone who was around at the time can tell you was a rarity.

[Tendrin]

If you have an example of Sanders saying that there will be a time later to figure out how "Super Predators" wound up that way?

Let's talk about Sanders being wrong when he said it.

Otherwise?

You have a politician talking about prevention/violence against women/child abuse.

Which anyone who was around at the time can tell you was a rarity.

"We have to get tougher and build more jails and oh prevention"

Funny how only Bernie gets credit for the prevention and no one else while dodging the responsibility you foist on everyone else. It's a typical example of your intellectual dishonesty.

[numberthirty]

"We have to get tougher and build more jails and oh prevention"

Funny how only Bernie gets credit for the prevention and no one else while dodging the responsibility you foist on everyone else. It's a typical example of your intellectual dishonesty.

Not really credit for prevention.

What's actually telling there is that Sanders was focused on violence against women and child abuse. Not just repeating more "War On Drugs..." nonsense.

[Theleviathan]

"We have to get tougher and build more jails and oh prevention"

Funny how only Bernie gets credit for the prevention and no one else while dodging the responsibility you foist on everyone else. It's a typical example of your intellectual dishonesty.

It's almost like, if he shot someone in the streets, his people would still love him!

Once, just once, I'd like to see one of the resident Bernie supporters utter criticism or even mild concern about something. It'd be like a cool breeze on a hot day.

[Tendrin]

Not really credit for prevention.

What's actually telling there is that Sanders was focused on violence against women and child abuse. Not just repeating more "War On Drugs..." nonsense.

He voted for it. That means he's responsible for all of it. You don't get to pick and choose unless you want to ALSO give Biden credit for the violence against women and child abuse provisions. He was, after all, the sponsor of the amendment in the Senate.

Meanwhile, the GOP was introducing bills to execute drug dealers.

[numberthirty]

He voted for it. That means he's responsible for all of it. You don't get to pick and choose unless you want to ALSO give Biden credit for the violence against women and child abuse provisions. He was, after all, the sponsor of the amendment in the Senate.

Meanwhile, the GOP was introducing bills to execute drug dealers.

Biden should get credit for it.

While I've got other problems with his career and the way he is currently approaching things, he was one of the least "Wrong" Democrats that I can recall when I think of the time.

That said, I can't really recall a time where he said anything as sensible as what Sanders said there. The idea that it will be a "Negative..." still seems pretty unlikely.

[numberthirty]

As for specifics...

If you're old enough to remember fall '93, Biden made a speech where he at least pointed to that society had a role in creating what was going on and would have a hand in continuing it if something didn't happen.

It wasn't just strictly more "Republican Lite"/"Drug War" nonsense.

That said, there was also some stuff in that speech that was more of an issue than anything in what Sanders said in that quote.

[Zauriel]

Bernie Sanders came close to winning the last primaries. Even if Biden or Sanders win the nomination, there is a question of their health. Both of them are over 75 years old. Sanders had a heart attack a while ago. Didn't Biden have bloody eyes a while ago? In addition, Biden was having trouble recollecting his memories. I wonder if he doesn't have dementia?

[Steel Inquisitor]

Bernie Sanders came close to winning the last primaries. Even if Biden or Sanders win the nomination, there is a question of their health. Both of them are over 75 years old. Sanders had a heart attack a while ago. Didn't Biden have bloody eyes a while ago? In addition, Biden was having trouble recollecting his memories. I wonder if he doesn't have dementia?

No, in fact he didn't. Bernie happened to be the only person who wasn't completely underwater and he refused to exit the field when any other politician would have left defeated, and he still got annihilated in a fair fight against Hillary. Both Biden and Sanders shouldn't have entered this race because of those health concerns.

[Zauriel]

No, in fact he didn't. Bernie happened to be the only person who wasn't completely underwater and he refused to exit the field when any other politician would have left defeated, and he still got annihilated in a fair fight against Hillary. Both Biden and Sanders shouldn't have entered this race because of those health concerns.

Yes, America already has a senile and demented commander-in-chief by the name of Trump. America doesn't need another. If Biden is not demented, then he must be senile. I can only hope Sanders' or Biden's ability to lead a nation is not affected by their senility. Can Sanders who had a heart attack truly handle the stress from occupying the most powerful office on Earth?

[Tendrin]

Yes, America already has a senile and demented commander-in-chief by the name of Trump. America doesn't need another. If Biden is not demented, then he must be senile. I can only hope Sanders' or Biden's ability to lead a nation is not affected by their senility. Can Sanders who had a heart attack truly handle the stress from occupying the most powerful office on Earth?

Biden is neither demented nor senile. He /is/ old, has a stutter, and is not as sharp as he was. That's about it. He's not 'a noun, a verb and 9/11' sharp anymore.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Bernie Sanders came close to winning the last primaries. Even if Biden or Sanders win the nomination, there is a question of their health. Both of them are over 75 years old. Sanders had a heart attack a while ago. Didn't Biden have bloody eyes a while ago? In addition, Biden was having trouble recollecting his memories. I wonder if he doesn't have dementia?

Going to be really blunt here, the age debate is over. It’s going to be either Biden or Sanders and the only dark horse who can rally is Warren. They are all in their 70’s. One of them will win to face a 73 year old Trump. People across the board just don’t care about that more than other factors. If youth was a factor people like Beto, Booker, Castro, and Harris wouldn’t have flailed out so fast. Pete’s the only relatively young person with half a chance left and he’s not doing well most places and he’s been sliding out of the places he had his only real headway.

You are getting a 70 something to face a 70 something

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

No, in fact he didn't. Bernie happened to be the only person who wasn't completely underwater and he refused to exit the field when any other politician would have left defeated, and he still got annihilated in a fair fight against Hillary. Both Biden and Sanders shouldn't have entered this race because of those health concerns.

People do realize he ran against someone who threw the party in turmoil in 2008 right? Like she was legit still in the race when she could only win if superdelegates went rogue for her and the party was having behind the scenes meetings to get her to lay-off and endorse Obama at the convention.

So no he didn’t stay in long after any other politician would have left defeated

[wjowski]

Bernie Sanders came close to winning the last primaries. Even if Biden or Sanders win the nomination, there is a question of their health. Both of them are over 75 years old. Sanders had a heart attack a while ago. Didn't Biden have bloody eyes a while ago? In addition, Biden was having trouble recollecting his memories. I wonder if he doesn't have dementia?

That's why they have these things called 'vice presidents'.

[Steel Inquisitor]

That's why they have these things called 'vice presidents'.

We don't know who they are yet, but we do know who Biden is interested in.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...s-running-mate

Biden did not provide any specific names, but he said several people are qualified, including "the former assistant attorney general who got fired," referring to former Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates; "the woman who should have been the governor of Georgia," referring to Stacey Abrams; and "the two senators from the state of New Hampshire," referring to Sens. Jeanne Shaheen (D) and Maggie Hassan (D).

They won't be at the top of the ticket, the selling point and the person who's going to run the country will be Biden or Bernie. A position that isn't a friendly environment to elderly people. A bad choice could end up with a Democratic Sarah Palin with Bernie's choices.