All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[Tami]

I'm confused here , how are the Democrats weak for not having enough Senators to push for witnesses or to make a Republican controlled Senate put their country over party ?

This smacks of idiocy to somehow expect the majority party controlling everything to suddenly agree.

Because i hate to break it to the whole stupid rant , no one expected a Senate controlled by Mitch McConnell to do the right thing. Everyone knew he would acquit Trump asap. Nothing Schiff and company could do would change it.

I'd say they gave it their best try. Comparing the House Managers to the Trump Lawyers is like comparing Albert Einstein to Beavis and Butthead.

[Tami]

Mar-a-Lago: officers fire shots at SUV that breached security

Authorities say officers fired shots at a vehicle that breached security Friday at Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida.

The Palm Beach county sheriff’s office said two people were taken into custody. There was no word on any injuries. The president was not at the resort at the time, although he is scheduled to arrive there later on Friday.

According to the sheriff’s office, a black SUV being pursued by the Florida highway patrol breached security about 11.40am at the main entrance of the resort.

Investigators say the vehicle approached the checkpoint at a high rate of speed and did not appear to brake in any way, according to a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity in order to discuss the investigation.

[Jack Dracula]

Here's an interesting article explaining some of the method behind Trumps madness.

[Tazirai]

Who are you trying to convince here? If it's just stating your opinion how many times do you have to say the same thing as if everyone here doesn't know where you stand?

Your posts smack of a person with a vendetta against this thread as opposed to anyone trying to tell useful info or make any real statement other than you don't like the people here and want to fight with them. Like those Donny fans that showed up during the kavanaugh hearing to gloat.

I have no vendetta. If people can repeat their posts saying the same thing, why can't I?

Like I told Aja, this thread is for opinions right? So why if I post mine, somehow I have a vendetta because I don't toe the line?
I think the Democrats thought the Public was stupid, they literally have the proof of high crimes, and didn't use it.

Why is pointing that out bad?

I'm confused here , how are the Democrats weak for not having enough Senators to push for witnesses or to make a Republican controlled Senate put their country over party ?

This smacks of idiocy to somehow expect the majority party controlling everything to suddenly agree.

Because i hate to break it to the whole stupid rant , no one expected a Senate controlled by Mitch McConnell to do the right thing. Everyone knew he would acquit Trump asap. Nothing Schiff and company could do would change it.

I've said it before, I do NOT expect anything from Republicans, ANYTHING! But we know where we stand with the GOP.
Pointing out that Democrats should have some fight in them is bad why?

If you FIGHT, and LOSE, we will fight harder for and with you. If you use bare bones strategy to run the weakest thing possible, you discourage people from supporting you.

I WANT the Dems to FIGHT and FIGHT Godsdamn hard even if they lose, or don't have the votes, show the country you have some SPINE for once.

I know Murkowski wasn't gonna vote with us. Collins and Romney got punked into it, and Mitch is the evil villain in the dungeon.

WE KNOW THESE THINGS. We want the Democrats to finally recognize the GOP are not honorable and will use deplorable tactics and to stop falling for it.

These Republicans SUCK! But they fight, even when they weren't in power they made the Democrats bend. Why can't we do that? Because we wanna be adults?

The GOP don't care about appearing like evil bastards, we don't need to be like them to show some fight. This is why Liberals love claiming Progressive labels, but not actually being Progressive, and hiding from the term liberal.

It's why morons like CNN's Cillizza thinks the Impeachment trial was a Both siderism, because the two parties never want to talk.

Democrats always want to, while the GOP punches us in the face.

#civility is not winning us anything. Yes we got a blue wave, somewhat, in 2018, but what has been done for us since then? People like Manchin and Sinema barely acknowledge they are Democrats, and side with Trump.

[Tazirai]

I'd say they gave it their best try. Comparing the House Managers to the Trump Lawyers is like comparing Albert Einstein to Beavis and Butthead.

I'll give props to Schiff and Warren for something I wish the other Democrats haven't done yet. I believe Schiff has finally realized that the GOP isn't and haven't been the "HONORABLE Gentlewhatevers" the media has been portraying them as, and I think Schiff realizes the hand the media plays into all this. Media will go after Democrats HARD, for not wanting to "work with" the GOP, while they let the GOP get away with literal murder.

A doctor today asked Mike Pence a question no one in the media would dare ask, because Access is all-important. While the Doctor was like, " No, my patients will die because of your actions, and here's why." They aid and abet the Trump admin and the GOP as a whole.
Finally, it seems some moderates are realizing the GOP are back stabbers, liars, and not their friends at all.

[Farealmer]

I have no vendetta. If people can repeat their posts saying the same thing, why can't I?

You came back after a long hiatus that you took because you didn't like the people in these threads. And when you return it's only to come back swinging on a forum where your words have no real impact because AFAIK everyone but Mets isn't a con. You can't tell me you don't see how that looks?

[aja_christopher]

Like I told Aja, this thread is for opinions right? So why if I post mine, somehow I have a vendetta because I don't toe the line?

I didn't ask you to tow any line.

I asked you how Sanders plans to pay for his programs, how he will get people to vote for him when people don't vote for candidates who raise taxes, how he will pass progressive legislation in Congress, and what he will do to address racial issues, such as racial profiling, police brutality and harsher prison sentences.

I'm not asking for "civility" -- I'm asking you to answer basic campaign questions about your candidate that will have to be addressed in the general if he wins the nomination.

At this point, since none of you have answered that -- outside of Knight who wrongly seems to think cutting military spending is the answer -- it's obvious that your goal is just to argue.

[Tazirai]

You came back after a long hiatus that you took because you didn't like the people in these threads. And when you return it's only to come back swinging on a forum where your words have no real impact because AFAIK everyone but Mets isn't a con. You can't tell me you don't see how that looks?

There's only one person I don't like in this thread. I know none of you personally, so I can't harbor animosity to any of you.
I fight aggressively. Some people think it's anger, it's not. I just have a forceful personality. I want to counter non-sense, not to the people who post here. But for the people who peek in.
I don't care to presume I can change the mind of anyone who thinks I'm a Bros, anyone who thinks Bernie sucks, is a sexist, misogynist, or whatever.

I'm not here to change any of you. You wanna vote blue no matter who, cool.
If you don't want to vote for a Progressive, cool.
If you don't think Sanders can win, cool.

I don't/can't/won't hold your personal choice in coting against you.
Vote for who YOU want, not who I want.

I honestly don't give a shit.

BUT there are people who don't read beyond headlines or another posters inane attacks on people. When they see Bernie or Cenk, or any progressive being attacked, and they don't really
follow politics. They might leave this thread thinking Bernie is the worst Socialist, Maoist, Marxist, loser on the planet.

I'm here to counter that.

Sorry I don't do it in a quiet voice.

[Tazirai]

I didn't ask you to tow any line.

I asked you how Sanders plans to pay for his programs, how he will get people to vote for him when people don't vote for candidates who raise taxes, how he will pass progressive legislation in Congress, and what he will do to address racial issues, such as racial profiling, police brutality and harsher prison sentences.

I'm not asking for "civility" -- I'm asking you to answer basic campaign questions about your candidate that will have to be addressed in the general if he wins the nomination.

At this point, since none of you have answered that -- outside of Knight who wrongly seems to think cutting military spending is the answer -- it's obvious that your goal is just to argue.

Aja I have answered it multiple times with links and everything. if you choose to ignore them. I won't keep posting things that get ignored.

I even asked you in another post if you saw the links I gave to you. You didn't respond to me.

So the only thing I can take it as, is you don't care to know the ways he plans to pay for it. So I give up lol. I can quote the posts where I asked if you saw my posts lol.

[Tendrin]

We’ve known all along that it wasn’t Trump who is on trial in this Senate exercise but the Senate itself and particularly its Republican members. The last few hours have witnessed their convicting themselves more clearly than I could have anticipated. A short time ago news broke that Sen. Murkowski was a vote for no witnesses.
This matched with a flurry of new statements from Republican Senators explaining or justifying their votes. Last night, retiring Sen. Alexander said that all the charges against the President had been proven. But they were only “inappropriate” not wrong or impeachable. Sen. Sasse told reporters that Alexander spoke for him and other Senators. Then a few moments ago, Sen. Rubio seemed to concede that the charges were not only proven but that they were in fact impeachable but that it was still best not to convict. “Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office.”

Josh Marshall on how the Senate GOP was on trial and convicted itself.

I agree with his take. This was always about making the Senate go to the mat to defend Trump.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog...own-the-hammer

[aja_christopher]

Aja I have answered it multiple times with links and everything. if you choose to ignore them. I won't keep posting things that get ignored.

I even asked you in another post if you saw the links I gave to you. You didn't respond to me.

You're trying to argue again for no reason whatsoever -- I didn't choose to ignore anything because I didn't see any links, much less multiple postings of them.

You could just say the number of the post you answered in instead of getting defensive and lashing out -- you're looking for problems where there are none.

[numberthirty]

I didn't ask you to tow any line.

I asked you how Sanders plans to pay for his programs, how he will get people to vote for him when people don't vote for candidates who raise taxes, how he will pass progressive legislation in Congress, and what he will do to address racial issues, such as racial profiling, police brutality and harsher prison sentences.

I'm not asking for "civility" -- I'm asking you to answer basic campaign questions about your candidate that will have to be addressed in the general if he wins the nomination.

At this point, since none of you have answered that -- outside of Knight who wrongly seems to think cutting military spending is the answer -- it's obvious that your goal is just to argue.

Straight Talking...

Trump won a Presidency without ever once seriously addressing exactly how Mexico would actually be paying for the wall.

[numberthirty]

Additional Straight Talking...

Former President Obama won a Presidency without ever once going into the exact details of the enforcement mechanism that would allow you to keep your doctor.

[aja_christopher]

Straight Talking...

Trump won a Presidency without ever once seriously addressing exactly how Mexico would actually be paying for the wall.

So still no answer.

Trump isn't a progressive and he cut taxes, not raised them.

Likewise for Obama.

And that still doesn't address the question of how Sanders will get Congress to pay for his programs, nor the question regarding how he will address racial issues.

[Farealmer]

Sorry I don't do it in a quiet voice.

I know you are being sarcastic but I wasn't asking for an apology. While I understand you think dems not fighting hard enough is the problem, and I can certainly see there is merit to that thought, I feel the problem is the opposite. By that I mean most con voters or fence sitters are there precisely because they feel attacked from the left. Some of this is overzealous "sjw's", some of this is false flagging, but I've seen forums where Donny is outright banned as a topic because the leftists who run it want to bury their heads. Those are the people you should be trying to reach. Because you can rage at the moderate left, centerists, and the right all day but in the end, without some of them, nothing you want will happen, Bernie or no Bernie. Getting your guy there by pissing off everyone on the way will just get an impotent leader that will just sit in the white house for a term and then get voted out the first time they can be. And the lesson people will take is they aren't good office holders. That would not be in your best interests.