All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[SquirrelMan]

Emails Show Federal Officials Panicked Over Trump’s Fake Hurricane Map

The media is getting so numb about these things, it's easy to overlook that causing panic in areas that won't be affected is NOT a cute story.

[worstblogever]

On this date in 2015, "Crazy/Stupid Republican of the Day" ran a profile of Pat Bertroche, a failed candidate for Congress back in the Tea Party Wave of 2010 who was a rambling, incoherent idiot for a man who went through medical school, only to be worked into a berserker frenzy by the passage of the Affordable Care Act to the point where he was lying to the public and perpetrating the myth that its implementation would lead to “healthcare rationing”. His website had a link to the issue of terrorism which began with the policy of “Kill ‘Em All”, before delving into a story about a mass suicide he claimed to personally witnessed by five Iranians in Vienna that also has no basis in reality. Bertroche was also opposed to same sex marriage, claiming that the Supreme Court was stepping out of line to rule on the subject, and just needed to “let Congress vote on the Defense of Marriage Act” which was also off-putting, because Congress HAD voted on it back in 1996, and the Supreme Court had, many years later, ruled it unconstitutional and overturned the law… which is how those two branches of government work. Anyway, what really seemed to be the moment that finished off Pat Bertroche’s hopes at heading to Washington, D.C., was his campaign trail idea to solve our immigration crisis by implanting microchips into illegal immigrants that get caught so they can be tracked and can’t sneak back over again. Sane people, of course, realize that’s not just an impractical idea, it’s a human rights violation. Needless to say, Bertroche did not win office in Iowa’s 3rd Congressional District, and has faded from relevance since.

On this date in 2016, “Crazy/Stupid Republican of the Day” posted a profile of David Rivera, a former one term member of the U.S. House of Representatives for Florida’s 25TH Congressional District for one term, arriving with the Tea Party Wave in 2011 and leaving two years later in 2013. Prior to his Congressional career, he was making noise in the Florida House of Representatives, where he was good friends with, and housemates with future Senator Marco Rubio, where Rivera stacked up a HUGE cloud of ethics violations. Where does one even begin with this guy? Well, it all started back in the 2012 elections, when Rivera’s primary opponent, Marili Cancio, happened to dig up an old police report from 1994 that showed there was a David M. Rivera (same name) who was charged with repeated acts of domestic violence against a Florida woman. The rabbit hole went deeper, though. The domestic violence storyline was something that Rivera had been trying to shake as far back as his career as a state legislator, but how he supposedly shook the stigma of abusing his girlfriend in 2002 was a bit more suspicious. Rivera’s opponent in that election had planned to release a series of fliers about the allegation of domestic abuse to stir up anti-Rivera sentiment. David Rivera just coincidentally was involved in a traffic accident with the delivery vehicle that was trying to mail out those fliers before the deadline, where he claims that he was trying to flag down the driver who also had HIS fliers, and in the process of trying to wave him down on the road, the delivery driver lost control of their vehicle (totally not his fault, right) and crashed. Which is news to the delivery company, who recall Rivera just colliding with them and running them off the road. In 2011, under the David Rivera Wikipedia page, they had a “controversies” section with both the story of accusations of domestic violence, and the bizarrely convenient traffic accident listed. That’s not uncommon for political candidates. What became a bit of a point of a contention, though, was Rivera’s press secretary, Leslie Veiga, kept logging into Wikipedia to delete any negatives about him, whenever they would be edited into his biography. Rivera’s press secretary had to be busy with those attempted scrub jobs. Considering there were also news stories about how he and Marco Rubio’s shared home was foreclosed on in 2010 while both were running for office (and presumably were trying to paint a picture of themselves as “fiscally responsible Republicans”). There was also the fact that in all disclosure reports, David Rivera listed the U.S. Agency for International Development as his employer… even though the USAID office itself never had a record of even hiring him. Or say, after how Rivera went above and beyond in the Florida House of Representatives with Marco Rubio to help change the law in Florida so that dog racing tracks in the state were permitted to also have big-revenue drawing slot machines, a specific dog track made a $510,000 payment to a consulting firm run by Rivera’s mother. (Because that doesn’t seem like bribery, at all.) In spite of being one of the shadiest people in politics running for Congress in 2010, David Rivera managed to ride the Tea Party Wave to Washington, where he would vote against the renewal of the Violence Against Women Act (not surprising given his history of domestic violence), tried to repeal the Affordable Care Act repeatedly, and defund Planned Parenthood. However, Rivera continued to have allegations of ethical misconduct dog him, yet still. FBI investigations were launched into his finances, including reimbursing himself for over $60,000 in fraudulent campaign expenses, and failing to disclose $137,000 in loans from a company owned by his mother. That investigation concluded in 2015, and a judge recommended $58,000 in fines towards Rivera for the offenses. So with all the dirt on him before he was in office, and the dirt continuing to pile up... David Rivera was facing a tough road to re-election in a presidential election year in 2012, where he would again be facing off against Joe Garcia. So, he got even more desperate, and even more crooked, if you could believe that even possible. You see, Rivera thought his only hope of winning would be if Garcia was badly damaged in a primary battle. And that's apparently how Rivera funded Justin Lemar Sternad, a political neophyte, as that shadow candidate in the 2012 Primary for Florida's 26th Congressional District's seat in the U.S. House of Representatives (running there because of redistricting). Sternad was running attack ads, for example, to make English the national language (in Miami), and saying that Joe Garcia had left his wife when she had contracted cancer, not unlike the stories about Newt Gingrich, from once upon a time. Another FBI investigation discovered that Sternad's campaign manager was Ana Alliegro, a self-styled "conservative bad girl", and a close personal friend of David Rivera's. Rather than be interviewed by the FBI and potentially implicate herself and Rivera, Alliegro fled to Nicaragua, where she is working as a hairdresser until presumably, the statute of limitations on any crime she or Rivera may have committed runs out. Because now that she’s there, she’s admitted Rivera’s plan to use Sternad as a proxy to smear Garcia. Needless to say, Rivera lost in 2012, only getting 43% of the vote. He attempted a comeback campaign in 2014 to again run for the seat in Florida's 26th, but couldn't even advance past the primary, only earning 7% of the vote after running what The National Journal called "The Worst Congressional Comeback Ever". Rivera finally accepted his pathway to Congress is blocked, at least for now, and tried to run for his old district in the Florida House of Representatives. He STILL lost that race by 53 votes. Going into the 2018 elections, Rivera is still taking a crack and finding a way to regain his seat in the Florida state legislature, but is definitely having trouble campaigning as he’s on the run from federal investigators, trying to evade federal marshals looking to serve him for a federal lawsuit he’s targeted by.

[worstblogever]

On this date in 2017, "Crazy/Stupid Republican of the Day" profiled Jennifer Carroll, the former Florida state legislator and Lieutenant Governor of Florida. Back in 2004, when Carroll was still a state legislator, she was appointed to the National Commission on Presidential Scholars. She was forced to resign, however, when it was discovered in an investigation by CBS News that many Bush administration appointees were slotted for positions using degrees from phony diploma mills. Carroll herself had "attended" Kensington University and received a degree from them, and the Bush Dept. Education picked her based on those credentials. Amidst the controversy, she was forced to resign. After keeping her head down for six years, Carroll ended up winning the office of Lieutenant Governor in 2010, albeit with 48% of the vote even with the Tea Party momentum behind her. Then again, maybe her mediocre victory was because of reports she may have falsified documents to take advantage of a government program, but whatever. Carroll again began to try and seek out the limelight, perhaps thinking of a future run for Governor of Florida or other office for herself, when she gave a terrifying speech before the Faith and Freedom Coalition in 2011 where the ranted, “Today unfortunately many in the media would like nothing better to ridicule Christians: they promote ‘The Da Vinci Code,’ they place doubt in the public’s mind that Christ was not risen and they condemn the ‘Passion of Christ,’ yet they sensationalize stories that call for the end of prayer in school and removing the name of God from our country’s pledge. Ladies and gentlemen, these are very sad times when we allow the minority to poison the minds of the majority. This is exactly what dictators and socialist rulers did.” But then again, is only gives us the pleasure of pointing out the hypocrisy of the fact that the God-fearing' Carroll, and her anti-gay stances was embroiled in a sex scandal in July of 2012, right around the time she became a member of Mitt Romney's election campaign. Carroll was allegedly caught engaging in a lesbian affair with one of her aides. Now, the smart way for Carroll to have dismissed that rumor would have been to say she was married for 29 years, or cite her supposedly strong Christian beliefs. She opted instead to mention that "Black women that look like me don’t engage in relationships like that", which only sparked more outrage and forced her to apologize for her insensitive remarks. Only six months after that controversy, Jennifer Carroll's career was over after she was implicated in a $300 million multi-state racketeering investigation into a nonprofit veteran's charity organization she formerly ran, Allied Veterans for the World. The charity itself was running illegal online "Internet Sweepstakes cafes" that were actually just online gambling. Even more shocking was that out of the hundreds of millions of dollars that Allied Veterans of the World was pulling in, the investigation found they were lying about how much they were donating to Department of Veterans' Affairs charities, and had only had sent 2% of its earnings to them, pocketing the rest. Carroll had actually introduced a bill briefly in 2010 while a state legislator to legalize internet gambling cafes, but after her connection to Allied Veterans of the World was mentioned, she quickly yanked the legislation, and blamed it as a mistake by one of her aides. With Gov. Rick Scott already furious that she was embroiled in a variety of scandals, including another that her travel budget had increased thirty-fold and now was somehow $300,000 a MONTH, so Scott made Carroll fall on her sword and resign, also signing an executive order to force her pay a (GASP) $1000 fine. She had the nerve to whine about it and say she felt "betrayed" by the fine, but when you consider the guy running Carroll's organization ended up being sentenced to six years. Perhaps the best epitaph for her political career was the New York Times' summary that her tenure as lieutenant governor was “marred by scandal and poor judgment” and she was “increasingly viewed as an embarrassment to the man who chose her for the job.”


On this date in 2018, "Crazy/Stupid Republican of the Day" profiled Brandon Hixon ,a former three term member of the Idaho House of Representatives who was first elected back in 2012, at the age of only 30. Compared to a lot of Idaho Republicans we’ve profiled, Hixon was practically mellow, with his only moments that seemed even somewhat radical included him voting for bills to try and nullify federal firearms regulations, or his bill to attempt to allow the Bible to be used as an educational reference in public schools. But the reason why Brandon Hixon got a CSGOPOTD profile has more to do with his resignation, and the tragic end to his story. Hixon abruptly resigned in October of 2017, and while at first, the details were murky, the local press soon got law enforcement to confirm Hixon was under investigation for sexually abusing multiple young girls. During the investigation, police noted he was more concerned that the accusation would “ruin his career” than much else. Hixon was divorced (his ex-wife is on record saying she knew nothing about her husband’s crimes), and during what had to have been a depressing holiday season for him, what with being alone and looking at a prison sentence where he would not be treated well by others while incarcerated (child molesters not being popular behind bars), began to try and drink his sorrows away. Which led to a DUI arrest where his blood-alcohol level was twice the limit. A few weeks later, and Hixon was busted for DUI a second time. In early January of 2018, Hixon got his gun, and took his own life with it to avoid going to jail.

On this date in 2019, “Crazy/Stupid Republican of the Day” profiled Rob Schaaf, a now former Missouri State Senator who made the jump from the Missouri House of Representatives after four terms in that body in the 2010 Tea Party Wave, and served four terms in the State Senate. What set Schaaf out from the rest of the pack in the Missouri GOP for us was when back in 2012, he was involved in debate on a bill that, if passed, would monitor the amount of painkillers being distributed to individuals more closely, as a way to prevent overdoses during our country’s current opioid crisis. While a lot of Republicans might just regurgitate the same lie they tell where they say they believe in smaller government, and that’s why they would be against creating such a database… Rob Schaaf isn’t that subtle. No, he straight up admitted that he sees opioid overdoses as a way to remove patients “from the gene pool”. Schaaf also supported a bill to allow public prayer in schools that obviously is a violation of the separation of church and state, a bill to begin the unconstitutional and failed conservative policy of drug testing welfare recipients, voted for Missouri’s insane attempt at blocking the United Nations’ Agenda 21 Environmental Treaty from being enacted, a bill that bans the enforcement of “foreign laws” aimed at stopping Sharia Law in the United States, and a bill aimed at nullifying federal firearms laws. Schaaf’s career was brought to an end in 2018 thanks to term limits. We will set aside his profile at this time and profile a different wacky Republican today instead. (Current crazy/stupid scoreboard, is now 832-40, since this was established in July 2014.)

[Steel Inquisitor]

Okay, you want to play this game. Name me a perfect candidate?

Warren engages in cultural appriation:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...c98_story.html

Buttiege has some troubling spots as mayor of South Bend:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...h-bend-indiana

Or what about Biden's numerous gaffes:

https://theintercept.com/2019/09/13/...ebate-slavery/

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/...LbJYlWOgZrOBYV

So is any that better or worse than this Bernie Bros stuff, where is the line?

Unless Jesus Christ rises from the grave to challenge Trump, you will have to accept that everyone will have baggage and at that point, you should the person with the best policies, rather than trying to decide who has the best of the baggage. This is why this stuff is a sideshow, you can easily do the same thing Warren, Biden, Buttiege, etc. Why is this Bernie Bros stuff a bigger point than anything about the other candidates?

Don't equate any candidate with Jesus.

This isn't a game. I never said there has to be a "perfect candidate," there isn't one, only to acknowledge the Sanders, his campaign or his supporters go over the line. What I do see is deflection, denial, whataboutism and goal post shifting - anything to not hold Sanders campaign accountable.

You're forming opinions of matters you don't much about. You don't know what the Bernie Bros are, you don't know how strong the conservatives are in congress, you don't understand how the American government works, and are painfully unconcerned about harassment to women or Democratic officials. You haven't shown an angle to your stance that Bernie Sanders will stop conservatism anymore than any other candidate, unless you want me to believe electing Sanders president will make it all disappear with a snap of his fingers.

Show me evidence of other candidates toxic fans harassing Democratic officials and politicians so badly they need to call security and tactics online which scare political campaigns through the party.

https://www.latimes.com/nation/polit...415-story.html

There is the activist in Chicago who unleashed a movement to “harass” superdelegates backing Clinton, with an online “hit list” complete with delegate phone numbers and some home addresses. There are the online trolls who have come to be known as “Bernie bros,” who attack journalists, politicians and fellow voters they perceive to be pro-Clinton with misogynistic, often vulgar attacks. There are the campaign surrogates -- some of them high-profile -- who use language the campaign finds itself having to walk back.

On Thursday, Sanders apologized for comments made by Paul Song, chairman of the progressive California group Courage Campaign, during Sanders’ huge rally the night before in New York’s Washington Square Park. Song railed against “corporate Democratic whores,” saying the party establishment was beholden to the pharmaceutical industry. The Clinton campaign demanded Sanders disavow Song’s words, which it did. Song himself also apologized, saying the comment was not directed at Clinton.

That's not a "gotcha." She was raised to believe that all her life, she isn't a grifter. It was stupid of her to do that, which she has apologised for and made amends.

I despise both Biden and Buttiege, they're both horrible candidates with their own terrible deeds. Nobody is defending them in this thread, we all know and dislike their flaws. What I don't have is an answer for why Bernie Sanders is supposed to be the superior candidate to them, he's got his own flaws when it comes to his opinions and campaigning, which you've been dodging. He's not the perfect candidate, far from it and unless his supporters aren't careful Trump is going to eat him for lunch when they can't take squabbles among Democrats. We're easy mode in American politics.

This isn't Canada.

[worstblogever]

Laura Loomer

Welcome to what is the 832nd original profile here at “Crazy/Stupid Republican of the Day” profile, where we’ll be profiling Laura Loomer, an anti-Muslim hatemonger, conspiracy theoriest, and general example of what would happen if you fed a cave full of bats Chipotle and Ex-Lax. More importantly, we’re profiling this bigot because she’s also a Republican candidate for U.S. House of Representatives from Florida’s 21st Congressional District in 2020, looking to challenge Democratic Congresswoman Lois Frankel.

Now, if her name sounds familiar, that might be because you remember she’s vile enough in her opinions that she has been banned from virtually every social media platform, including Twitter, which is a TALL order in today’s world. And yet, she managed to pull of that achievement after repeatedly defending Islamophobia as “rational” and that Islam is “cancer”, before she finally sealed her ban by harassing Congresswoman Ilhan Omar with Islamophobic posts (among them accusing her of marrying her own brother to gain citizenship), and responded to her Twitter ban by marching on the company’s headquarters, handcuffing herself in a door while wearing a Jewish label like what the Nazis would have put on Jews during the Third Reich, and comparing her treatment to “the Holocaust” while also accusing Twitter of carrying out a double-standard for banning people like Alex Jones (deranged conspiracy theorist), Milo Yianappolous (white nationalist that advocated for pedophilia), and Roger Stone (convicted felon and general right wing nut job) that showed they supported Sharia Law (she is bugs*** crazy, don’t try to make sense of that). While Loomer thought this would be a great inconvenience to Twitter, they ignored her and went about their workday. Having been determined enough in her silly idea of a “protest”, Loomer forgot to bring a key to her own handcuffs and soon realized she had trapped herself, and nobody was coming to get her. The NYPD showed up and just put a barricade around her and let her know they weren’t removing her until Twitter asked to press charges, and they said they had no plans to. At that point, Loomer started listing her demands to the police which amounted to, “PUT ME BACK ON TWITTER OR I’LL PEE ON MYSELF!”

”I’m not saying people shouldn’t be banned but why are they banning me? ... I think there’s a double standard. It’s egregious, Dorsey thinks I’m a terrorist. I’m not a terrorist If I have to, I’ll pee on myself. I haven’t eaten or drunken today.”

Of course, that’s sillier and far less scary when she threatens suicide over being banned from social media platforms.

This is the sort of idiocy and faux victimhood you would expect from someone who once worked for alt-right provocateur James O’Keefe at Project Veritas, and who got suspended from Barry University for trying to start a “Humanitarian Club” that supported ISIS. (They got caught trying to create the thing that they would be outraged at the university for “creating”, as is often the case with James O’Keefe funded “journalism”.) Meanwhile, she has compared CNN to ISIS. Loomer has denied being a white nationalist because she’s Jewish, but she repeatedly defends other white nationalists and their policies, and can, in the same sentence, use her background in defense and then immediately go into spreading anti-Semitic conspiracy theories about George Soros being a Nazi collaborator.

Loomer is currently leading all GOP candidates in fundraising in the primary for the seat for Florida’s 21st District, but alas, still cannot win any of the frivolous lawsuits she files against people who have the nerve to ban her from their social media platform or mock her deranged behavior online. Before anyone panics at the idea of a twenty-something white nationalist drama queen roaming the halls of Congress, rest assured, even if Loomer does win the GOP Primary against all odds, this district has a +9 Democratic lean in a year when Democratic turnout is expected to be quite high.

If anything, we’re curious to see how much damage she does to the Republican brand. Not that the brand has much value left at this point, with multiple white nationalists running for seats in Florida in 2020.

[SquirrelMan]

The “Muslim Ban,” this new “African Ban,” Trump’s atrocious asylum and refugee policies — they are all designed to make it harder for black and brown people to immigrate to the United States. It’s that simple. They are racist. They are xenophobic.

[SquirrelMan]

Because no low is too low:

New Trump policy expanding landmine use

[WestPhillyPunisher]

In non-whataboutism news:

To nobody's surprise, Jared made everything worse.

Palestinian leader Mahmud Abbas announced a cut of all ties with Israel and the US, including security cooperation, as the Arab League rejected US President Donald Trump's Middle East peace plan, which had enraged Palestinians

The only surprise would've been if that so-called peace plan HAD been warmly received by all the factions. Short and sweet: Kushner has ZERO business being involved in foreign diplomacy when he hasn't a goddamn idea what he's doing.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Because no low is too low:

New Trump policy expanding landmine use

Revolting, but predictable for this administration. I found this passage from the article highly revealing, and troubling....

But it’s unclear whether the military even wanted this change in the first place. Multiple experts — including US defense officials — said that the US military has clearly found anti-personnel landmines not to be that helpful in war.

“The United States has not used landmines in a new theater of military operation for nearly thirty years — since 1991 — yet it continues to stockpile millions of these obsolete weapons,” Daryl Kimball, the executive director of the Arms Control Association, told me.

It’s therefore worth noting that Trump’s soon-to-be-announced action may not change much on the battlefield, and may have been done just to remove another Obama-era restriction.

Trump's obsession with killing Obama's directives for no other reason than his undying hatred for America's first black president was clearly the reason for this action. I defy anyone here to tell me different. Hell, if Obama eliminated the use of mustard gas by the military, Trump would roll back that restriction too.

[SquirrelMan]

The only surprise would've been if that so-called peace plan HAD been warmly received by all the factions. Short and sweet: Kushner has ZERO business being involved in foreign diplomacy when he hasn't a goddamn idea what he's doing.

The projection is strong in him, though:

Jared Kushner says Trump critics like John Bolton and other former White House officials "didn't have what it took"

[Tami]

Amazed Susan Collins is still in office if she hasn't had a Town Hall in 20+ years

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[Tami]

Marco Rubio's mind-blowing explanation of his impeachment vote

(CNN)No Congress watcher expected Florida Sen. Marco Rubio to break with his party and vote either for witnesses to be called in the Senate impeachment trial or to remove President Donald Trump.

But the way in which Rubio announced his opposition to both efforts -- via a Medium post Friday afternoon -- was a stunning reminder of the knots ambitious Republicans are tying themselves in to avoid outraging the President while also trying to keep themselves credible with the broader Republican electorate.

Here are the key lines from Rubio's statement (which you can and should read here):
"Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office. ...

"... I will not vote to remove the President because doing so would inflict extraordinary and potentially irreparable damage to our already divided nation."

So. What Rubio is saying is this:

1) Trump did the things in regard to Ukraine that have been alleged. ("New witnesses that would testify to the truth of the allegations are not needed for my threshold analysis, which already assumed that all the allegations made are true," Rubio wrote.)

2) Partisan impeachment is bad.

3) He is voting against removing the President

So, and just hear me out on this, what if Rubio, who says he takes as true the allegations against Trump, voted to remove Trump. Wouldn't that make the impeachment bipartisan? And therefore nullify -- or at least mitigate -- the core of his argument that the country would see all of this as nothing more than a partisan affair?

This is similar to the stance took by Lamar Alexander.

Reminds me of the argument 'House impeachment investigation wasn't complete because it didn't have all the witnesses and documents' which goes counter-logical to the fact that the House was charging Trump with obstruction because they wouldn't provide all the documents and witnesses.

Or, how about 'House rushed their investigation'/'The voters should decide' against the facts that the House charged Trump with Abuse for Power for trying to cheat on the election using the 2016 method and that he will likely continue to do so if unchecked.

[jetengine]

Republicans most credible argument is "He did bad thing, be worse if he not here though, but bad thing still bad thing"

And its STILL a dumb argument

Also after reading WBEs latest post can we FINALLY bury this fucking stupid idea that "because your X-Ethnicity/X-Religion you cant belong to X-Hate group" its utterly ridiculous and we've enough irl examples to prove its a hollow defense.

There were Asian-Indian SS members for fucks sake

[Tami]

Rivals warn Sanders campaign plans to game Iowa results

CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa — Rival campaigns are sounding the alarm that Bernie Sanders could be planning to claim victory on Monday night — before the caucuses are concluded.

It’s a move, they say, that could have a significant effect on the outcome.

Sanders and his team have made clear their intention to tout the results of the first round of caucus voting Monday, even though the Iowa Democratic Party stresses that the only number that matters is the final delegate count.

Aides with two top-tier campaigns told POLITICO they worry the Sanders campaign or other pro-Sanders forces — which will be receiving unofficial precinct results from allies in real time — will disseminate that information through social media or publicly claim victory after the first vote, an act that could distort the eventual results in a variety of ways.

A claim of victory after the first vote could encourage supporters of weaker candidates to leave the caucuses early without realigning with another candidate. Or it could create an artificial bandwagon effect by encouraging some caucus-goers to jump to Sanders’ side under the belief that he will be the victor.

Either scenario stands to hurt the campaigns that are more reliant than Sanders on the realignment round that happens after the first preference vote is cast. During realignment, supporters of candidates who failed to hit a 15 percent threshold in the first vote are freed up to switch to another candidate.

[The Overlord]

Don't equate any candidate with Jesus.

This isn't a game. I never said there has to be a "perfect candidate," there isn't one, only to acknowledge the Sanders, his campaign or his supporters go over the line. What I do see is deflection, denial, whataboutism and goal post shifting - anything to not hold Sanders campaign accountable.

You're forming opinions of matters you don't much about. You don't know what the Bernie Bros are, you don't know how strong the conservatives are in congress, you don't understand how the American government works, and are painfully unconcerned about harassment to women or Democratic officials. You haven't shown an angle to your stance that Bernie Sanders will stop conservatism anymore than any other candidate, unless you want me to believe electing Sanders president will make it all disappear with a snap of his fingers.

Show me evidence of other candidates toxic fans harassing Democratic officials and politicians so badly they need to call security and tactics online which scare political campaigns through the party.

https://www.latimes.com/nation/polit...415-story.html



That's not a "gotcha." She was raised to believe that all her life, she isn't a grifter. It was stupid of her to do that, which she has apologised for and made amends.

I despise both Biden and Buttiege, they're both horrible candidates with their own terrible deeds. Nobody is defending them in this thread, we all know and dislike their flaws. What I don't have is an answer for why Bernie Sanders is supposed to be the superior candidate to them, he's got his own flaws when it comes to his opinions and campaigning, which you've been dodging. He's not the perfect candidate, far from it and unless his supporters aren't careful Trump is going to eat him for lunch when they can't take squabbles among Democrats. We're easy mode in American politics.

This isn't Canada.

I am not comparing anyone to Jesus, I am no one is perfect and I have not seen anyone besides myself and similar supporters mention Biden or Buttiege'a flaws during this whole Bernie Bros exchange, you have not proven a few obnoxious Bernie Sanders fans undermines his message.

If Sanders is not the best choice, who is? Because it seems like Biden and Buttiege have a lot of flaws and if you want say Warren, that's fine, I think she is the second best choice.

Do you want to talk about policies or talk about who has the least baggage? If you want left wing unity and rally around to defeat Trump, that street goes both ways, because someone here making comments about Bernie being sexist or racist does not help that cause.