All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[ed2962]

Which parts of the country did Obama surprisingly win over again? Right...more "centrist" type states.

Centrist isnt even the right word. Just less fringey.

But Obama himself was considered a fringe candidate who should have dropped in favor of a more "electable" candidate. He didn't listen to those critics and ended up winning.

[Tendrin]

Jeffrey Epstein's family is still waiting to hear about DNA evidence to prove he wasn't murdered -- evidence they've been demanding for more than 2 months, according to the family's forensic expert.
Dr. Michael Baden, a pioneer in forensics, says the family hired him to observe the autopsy that was conducted on August 11 ... the day after Epstein was found dead in his prison cell. Dr. Baden was on FOX News Wednesday, and he confirmed something TMZ first reported more than 2 months ago.

https://www.tmz.com/2019/10/30/jeffr...-dna-evidence/

Baden says fractures in Epstein's neck are more consistent with homicide than suicide by hanging. Specifically, he says the hyoid bone (in the Adam's apple area) and 2 bones next to his thyroid cartilage were broken ... fractures common in strangulation. As we told you, those breaks are extremely rare in hangings.
Beyond the bones, Baden says the family had asked for DNA testing results from Epstein's fingernails -- which could show if he fought back against someone choking him to death -- and from the sheets he allegedly used to hang himself. Baden says the family wants to know if someone else tied the sheets together.

[babyblob]

I believe that Epstein was murdered. Sex offenders are treated very rough in Prison. They get attacked on a regular basis and the guards often look the other way.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Trump Thanks Jeff Van Drew For Opposing Impeachment Inquiry



Lets' see how long he keeps that view. Lets' see how long he keeps his seat in Congress.

I'm sure there are probably others, but the only Democrats I know who are actively against impeachment are him and Tulsi the Russian Asset. Is this guy a DINO, or does he think that being in Trump's good graces will earn him votes and help him keep his job?

I believe that Epstein was murdered. Sex offenders are treated very rough in Prison. They get attacked on a regular basis and the guards often look the other way.

I've heard that only child molesters are treated worse in prison than sex offenders. I'm not as yet willing to come right out and say Epstein was murdered, but he definitely should've been watched more carefully while locked up.

[babyblob]

I've heard that only child molesters are treated worse in prison than sex offenders. I'm not as yet willing to come right out and say Epstein was murdered, but he definitely should've been watched more carefully while locked up.

Most inmates dont make a difference between Sex Offenders and those who harm children. They here sex offender and they assume you harmed a child. Even those who prove their crimes were against an adult they are still treated pretty bad. There are no breaks for those who committed Sex crimes in prison.

[Tami]

I'm sure there are probably others, but the only Democrats I know who are actively against impeachment are him and Tulsi the Russian Asset. Is this guy a DINO, or does he think that being in Trump's good graces will earn him votes and help him keep his job?

Van Drew is from South Jersey, as in the very bottom of the state. It's a slightly more Republican than Democratic area. Don't know much about him since I'm from North Jersey.

[PwrdOn]

Most inmates dont make a difference between Sex Offenders and those who harm children. They here sex offender and they assume you harmed a child. Even those who prove their crimes were against an adult they are still treated pretty bad. There are no breaks for those who committed Sex crimes in prison.

Yeah but I imagine that has less to do with some sense of prisoner honor and more to do with sex offenders generally being seen as a soft target compared to the violent criminals they end up getting locked up with. As grotesque as their crimes may be, sex offenders deserve to be able to serve their time and rehabilitate into society just like anyone else, the fact that nobody blinks an eye when they are murdered is just more evidence that our prison system needs serious reforms.

[babyblob]

Yeah but I imagine that has less to do with some sense of prisoner honor and more to do with sex offenders generally being seen as a soft target compared to the violent criminals they end up getting locked up with. As grotesque as their crimes may be, sex offenders deserve to be able to serve their time and rehabilitate into society just like anyone else, the fact that nobody blinks an eye when they are murdered is just more evidence that our prison system needs serious reforms.

They are very much a soft target. Very few inmates will get involved to defend a sex offender. Even other offenders rarely get stick up for each other for fear of drawing attention to themselves. Even the guards who are there to stop the fights either dont stop a sex offender form being attacked or are very slow to respond. In my prison many guards when a new inmate came in pointed out which ones were sex offenders. There was even a reward system between some guards and inmates for attacking offenders. There was an investigation and a few guards were transferred but in the end nothing changed.

[SquirrelMan]

If this was Joe Biden people on the left would have their hair on fire criticizing him.

Here's an idea, hear me out:
Maybe not go for an old white guy this election?

[SquirrelMan]

Trump was hoping for the Hunter Biden stuff to get out without the scandal. The earlier goal was to have Ukraine announce an investigation.

Trump did seem genuinely unaware of how bad it would look, which may be one reason the White House released the call notes rather than trying to cover it up.

Now it looks more like what they edited out was so much worse that they didn't realize how bad the stuff they left in looked.

[Malvolio]

But Obama himself was considered a fringe candidate who should have dropped in favor of a more "electable" candidate. He didn't listen to those critics and ended up winning.

No, Obama was just less establishment than Clinton. But if he was a true fringe candidate, he would have never been given that plumb speech at the 2004 Democratic Convention, and it was that speech that made Obama a contender.

[ed2962]

No, Obama was just less establishment than Clinton. But if he was a true fringe candidate, he would have never been given that plumb speech at the 2004 Democratic Convention, and it was that speech that made Obama a contender.

Oh, I don't think that Obama was fringe in his actual politics ( although that didn't stop the opposition from trying to label him a "socialist" when he became the nominee ), I meant fringe in the sense that a good number of people thought he had no chance of winning.

[Jack Dracula]

The only era the Trump administration is remotely comparable to is the Nixon or Reagan eras.

The former, for how corrupt a nationalist president was in it. The latter, for how corrupt the entire Cabinet was and setting records for prosecutions and indictments (now being rivaled, of course). The Trump administration seems to have both angles covered, and it's all under conservative leadership.

Now, if you want to contrast eras... sure, mention Obama. Or mention how desperate the GOP was to impeach Clinton, but could only come up with "lying about a blowjob" in terms of actual impeachable offenses.

For sheer assholery you could compare Trump to the Johnson administration. Not for nothing, Andrew Johnson was also the first president to be impeached.

[PwrdOn]

Oh, I don't think that Obama was fringe in his actual politics ( although that didn't stop the opposition from trying to label him a "socialist" when he became the nominee ), I meant fringe in the sense that a good number of people thought he had no chance of winning.

Even then, he was only fringe because of his race, in practically all other respects he may as well have been grown in a lab to be the perfect presidential candidate. And in hindsight, his family background actually ended up helping him in the polls, because he was seen as black enough for black voters to relate to, but not so black as to scare off white moderates. However, his success has misled the Democrats into thinking that they can win again if they just find the next Obama, but that's just not going to happen this time because Obama was a once in a lifetime figure and trying to find the next one is just going to leave us with unlikable try-hards like Booker or Harris, or if you emphasize the youthful "cool" factor over race, complete and utter tools like Beto.

[Gray Lensman]

Oh, I don't think that Obama was fringe in his actual politics ( although that didn't stop the opposition from trying to label him a "socialist" when he became the nominee ), I meant fringe in the sense that a good number of people thought he had no chance of winning.

The Republican ability to label anything they don't like as Socialism might be the best thing to happen to Socialism in the United States. People are beginning to hear the charge like the adults from one of those old Peanuts cartoons.