All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[Michael Watkins]

The claims of rigging are, in fact, nonsense. I mean, if you're coming down to conspiracies about 'coin rigging', you've already lost the plot. And if you think the 'DNC' is 'cheating to win' as it is, you're already revealing how unprepared you are to face the Republican party in the general.

And yes, the problems that the app encountered were, in fact, both predicted and predictable. It doesn't require a conspiracy for software to fall down go boom. Just look at, well... any major app release in the last twenty years and the ones that went entirely smoothy and to plan can be counted on one hand.

did the software fail or did it give them a result that they didn't like?

[Michael Watkins]

The Democrats are pathetic.

Absolutely pathetic.

Pelosi and the moderate democrats are pathetic and conniving. i 100% believe that they would rather Trump be in office so they can continue to wag their finger at him than see a progressive win.

[KOSLOX]

The claims of rigging aren't nonsense. But then again they're withholding the news that Bernie has won.
What nonsense was this.

It’s pretty weird that Pete’s Iowa Comms Director still has not deleted this tweet which contains: 1) a login PIN for the Shadow voting app 2) 3.2 delegates for Pete rounded up to 4, contrary to the instructions on the form

The candidate proxies broker and agree on the delegate count. As an Iowan this is pretty much how it's always been done.

[Tendrin]

did the software fail or did it give them a result that they didn't like?

It failed. The results will be verifiable by the paper ballots kept and the videos taken, as well. Maybe your guy just isn't quite as popular in Iowa as you wanna believe? Conspiratorial, preemptive 'iT wAs RiGgEd' over the simpler explanation, software sucked and processes agreed on and tried for the first time being a mess. Right now, Buttigege is in the lead. It's still possible Sanders will come out on top, and if he does, all this is going to look super silly.

Pelosi and the moderate democrats are pathetic and conniving. i 100% believe that they would rather Trump be in office so they can continue to wag their finger at him than see a progressive win.

Yeah, this is BS. Pelosi has sent a ton of progressive legislation to the Senate to die. I'm pretty sure she'd like to see some of it get passed. Do people not remember how productive the House was before they lost their majority to the 2010 Tea party wave because Democrats didn't bother to show up and vote?

[Mister Mets]

Her ripping up his speech is inconsequential.

Perfectly emblematic of the "resistance" she offers against Trump.

True, but what would you have her do?

[Mister Mets]

It failed. The results will be verifiable by the paper ballots kept and the videos taken, as well. Maybe your guy just isn't quite as popular in Iowa as you wanna believe? Conspiratorial, preemptive 'iT wAs RiGgEd' over the simpler explanation, software sucked and processes agreed on and tried for the first time being a mess. Right now, Buttigege is in the lead. It's still possible Sanders will come out on top, and if he does, all this is going to look super silly.



Yeah, this is BS. Pelosi has sent a ton of progressive legislation to the Senate to die. I'm pretty sure she'd like to see some of it get passed. Do people not remember how productive the House was before they lost their majority to the 2010 Tea party wave because Democrats didn't bother to show up and vote?

Is sending doomed legislation to the Senate really an example of doing something consequential?

[Tendrin]

Is sending doomed legislation an example of "doing something"?

She's trying to do her job. Maybe Mitch McConnel should do his and bring those bills to the floor for a vote and, besides, this is just in keeping with majority behavior between 2008 and 2010.

[Theleviathan]

did the software fail or did it give them a result that they didn't like?

This now makes two Sanders people in this thread whining about conspiracies because there was a 26 to 25% race in Iowa?

FFS. You guys wonder why people bristle at you.

[KOSLOX]

Is sending doomed legislation to the Senate really an example of doing something consequential?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...ee_on_Benghazi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effort...dable_Care_Act

[Theleviathan]

Yep.


They need to internalize that there is right around "Zero..." point in Green/Independent/Libertarian/Democrat/"Never Trump" Republican trying to play Trump at his own game.

I'm not going to argue the Democrats are great at fighting back, they largely get outplayed. But let's be real clear about something: whatever you want to say about Nancy Pelosi or her views, they've had far more success gaining power and trying than the rag-tag bunch of misfit ideas you or Rosa like to tout. Your viewpoints are fringe. Perhaps, before you lob grenades, you should do more than whimper when it comes to garnering support.

Loud irrelevance is still inferior to ineffective relevance.

[jetengine]

If there was no paper ballots then conspirize away, as is though you guys are looking like wingnuts

[Tami]

I have a theory.

It's not that Trump's approval rating in 49% because they approve or Trump. It's because those voters approve of the way the Republicans in Congress stand behind Trump no matter what he does. So, it actually reflects the approval of the way Republicans are unified and subservient to Trump.

If more Republicans broke ranks and voted against Trump, voted fro Witnesses or whatever, then Trump's approval rating might have been a lot lower.

[kidfresh512]

Pelosi and the moderate democrats are pathetic and conniving. i 100% believe that they would rather Trump be in office so they can continue to wag their finger at him than see a progressive win.

That's completely ridiculous.

I have a theory.

I's not that Trump's approval rating in 49% because they approve or Trump. It's because those voters approve of the way the Republicans in Congress stand behind Trump no matter what he does. So, it actually reflects the approval of the way Republicans are unified and subservient to Trump.

If more Republicans broke ranks and voted against Trump, voted fro Witnesses or whatever, then trump's approval rating might have been a lot lower.

He hasn't tanked Obama's recovery on the economy. And generally that would be enough to have great support. If he wasn't also a racist pushing racist policies, rolling back environmental regulations for corporate benefit. Giving tax breaks to himself and large corporations, blowing up the deficit. Stealing money allocated to the military to fund the useless wall he couldn't get funded with a majority GOP Congress.

Piling the courts with unqualified "conservatives" hoping they will make judgement to uphold the national systematic disenfranchisement of minority voters and keep gerrymandering districts to hold power.


I mean sure if you IGNORE all that and him strong arming allies like Ukraine to do his bidding for personal campaign reasons rather than the public interest yeah I can see a high rating.

As a gay black man I of course don't have the luxury of ignoring all of that because right after trying to tell women what to do with their bodies. The next favorite thing the GOP love to do is come for "the gays".

[Michael Watkins]

That's completely ridiculous.

^that's an opinion.

If there was no paper ballots then conspirize away, as is though you guys are looking like wingnuts

that's just it. the plan would only be to delay the release of the results. that's what does the damage. no idea why people try so hard to deny a conspiracy. if it's ridiculous, then why just let everyone decide that on their own?

[Kirby101]

I have a theory.

It's not that Trump's approval rating in 49% because they approve or Trump. It's because those voters approve of the way the Republicans in Congress stand behind Trump no matter what he does. So, it actually reflects the approval of the way Republicans are unified and subservient to Trump.

If more Republicans broke ranks and voted against Trump, voted fro Witnesses or whatever, then Trump's approval rating might have been a lot lower.

Or it was a crap poll that had 443 Democrats and 527 Republicans, skewing towards Trump.