All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[Mister Mets]

Don't get too optimistic. They'll vote for him, since their agenda needs Trump to succeed - they'll have less leverage with President Pence. They won't let Nixon happen again.

Do you think there's significant disagreement between Pence and Senate Republicans?

That assumes Republicans will quietly and willingly cede power if a Democrat wins the Presidential election, when. over the past decade, they've shown time and time again they have no interest in "playing by the rules" and will subvert the consensus of a majority of the American people to consolidate and maintain their control.

I don't think you can expect any party to quietly and willingly cede power. They'll use the legal measures at their disposal to get as much of their agenda through as possible.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

just because the fight seems pointless, doesn't mean it's pointless to fight.

It's about having a smart fight. Regadless of what Democrats think, unfortunately this impeachment has largely been viewed like Clinton's as a partisan issue (even with Romney switching sides). Republicans largely supported him throughout this and Democrats largely didn't. His approval rating got a bump recently. Now Trump has an acquittal on his record that he will run on as an exoneration and there's enough people in his country that aren't politically engaged that will fall for it. It was smarter to wait and dangle this over his head in an election.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

This ruling could be one that haunts the Republican party , maybe not today or tomorrow. But at some point this ruling and the lack of conviction to uphold their duty is gonna be something years from now with a future President decides he has no rules. And if it is a Democrat they will have no choice but to stand by and watch. Because they opened pandora's box.

The problem is that no impeachment in this country has ever resulted in an acquital. Because the President is a nationally elected figure, any President is more popular overall in the country than any single Congressmen. If it's your party, it's a career killer to do anything but that. Nixon would have likely won if he fought it this way.

[Malvolio]

Do you think there's significant disagreement between Pence and Senate Republicans?

I don't think you can expect any party to quietly and willingly cede power. They'll use the legal measures at their disposal to get as much of their agenda through as possible.

Pence would not distract the media with tweets the way Trump does on the daily.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

The problem is that no impeachment in this country has ever resulted in an acquital. Because the President is a nationally elected figure, any President is more popular overall in the country than any single Congressmen. If it's your party, it's a career killer to do anything but that. Nixon would have likely won if he fought it this way.

According to a lot of documentaries , he wouldn't have won and damaged the presidency in fighting it. His own party began to turn on him due to what was found out. Nixon also was losing the public support as well by this period.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...richard-nixon/

So he would have fought and lost more or less.

[Handsome men don't lose fights]

According to a lot of documentaries , he wouldn't have won and damaged the presidency in fighting it. His own party began to turn on him due to what was found out. Nixon also was losing the public support as well by this period.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...richard-nixon/

So he would have fought and lost more or less.

Seriously. Republicans back then were from the greatest generation. They were a bunch of old warhorses with an extremely strict code of honor and character that the opportunistic parasites of today could scarcely fathom. They would have ripped Tricky Dick off their skin like he was a melanoma.

[Tazirai]

Literally two people are doing it this thread. So....as usual what you are posting is false.

As usual, you have a dog in this race to be as biased as possible.
People in here crack me up with the bias.

[Zauriel]

96% reporting in the Iowa Caucus

Mayor Pete and Bernie each get 11 delegates. Warren has 5 delegates. Biden and others have zero delegates.

Iowa maybe made it clear that they don't want the candidate favored by the establishment. Perhaps the Iowans feel like the Democratic Party has been forcing Joe Biden onto them.

Sanders is popular with the voters because of his anti-establishment stance. Buttigieg, a 38 year old mayor of 132 thousand people, could be the next JFK. A young and fresh face in the world of politics is what the voters would need.

Even if Biden loses the next primaries, the DNC will perhaps appoint him the nominee.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

96% reporting in the Iowa Caucus

Mayor Pete and Bernie each get 11 delegates. Warren has 5 delegates. Biden and others have zero delegates.

Iowa maybe made it clear that they don't want the candidate favored by the establishment. Perhaps the Iowans feel like the Democratic Party has been forcing Joe Biden onto them.

Sanders is popular with the voters because of his anti-establishment stance. Buttigieg, a 38 year old mayor of 132 thousand people, could be the next JFK. A young and fresh face in the world of politics is what the voters would need.

Even if Biden loses the next primaries, the DNC will perhaps appoint him the nominee.

iI doubt if Biden loses that the DNC will do this considering they likely will go with who the people want. The same situation had people question if they would get behind Barack Obama. But once the will of the people spoke up , they stuck with who the delegates went to. So if its Pete or Bernie , they will get behind the winner.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Trump’s Scholarship for Philly Girl Surprised Local Leaders. Turns Out Betsy DeVos Will Pay for It.

When President Donald Trump pointed out Janiyah Davis and her mother Stephanie at the State of the Union on Tuesday night and announced Janiyah would receive a scholarship, it surprised many in Philadelphia's education circles.

Trump said Janiyah is a Philadelphia fourth-grader who languished for years on waiting lists for a scholarship to attend a better school than her neighborhood public school.

"She loves art and math, but for too long she has been assigned to low-performing schools," Trump said. "Her mom, Stephanie, is a hardworking single mother who tried to apply for a tax credit scholarship."

Thousands of Philadelphia students apply for scholarships each year through state-funded organizations and privately-funded nonprofits, and the waiting lists can be long. School choice, the ability for students at poor-performing public schools to have access to charter or private schools, is one of the most contentious issues in Pennsylvania education.

But Janiyah actually won't be getting her scholarship from one of Pennsylvania's state-funded school choice programs or from any local scholarship groups.

U.S. Education Secretary Betsy DeVos will pay for Janiyah's schooling at a private school for a year, according to a department spokeswoman.

The spokeswoman did not clarify how the Davis family was identified by the White House.

I wonder about that myself. The cynic in me suspects that by putting a black mother and her child onstage at the SOTU and presenting that gift, this was a new take by Trump on his "What have you got to lose?" plea to blacks to vote for him in 2016. Trump knows his poll numbers with people of color are bordering on subterranean, and maybe this was a scheme to boost his appeal, even though he's NEVER stepped foot in ANY inner city community since he took office.

[aja_christopher]

96% reporting in the Iowa Caucus

Mayor Pete and Bernie each get 11 delegates. Warren has 5 delegates. Biden and others have zero delegates.

Iowa maybe made it clear that they don't want the candidate favored by the establishment. Perhaps the Iowans feel like the Democratic Party has been forcing Joe Biden onto them.

Sanders is popular with the voters because of his anti-establishment stance. Buttigieg, a 38 year old mayor of 132 thousand people, could be the next JFK. A young and fresh face in the world of politics is what the voters would need.

Even if Biden loses the next primaries, the DNC will perhaps appoint him the nominee.

Sanders has all of eleven delegates -- it's way too soon to start saying Sanders is "popular" and Biden isn't based on one state whose demographics aren't an accurate reflection of the Democratic party.

Again, Sanders tied for first in Iowa last election and still lost by millions of votes -- winning Iowa doesn't mean Sanders is "popular" with most voters, Democratic or otherwise.

Those claiming Iowa is somehow representative of the will of Democrats as a whole are only doing so because they know Sanders isn't going to be as competitive in other regions -- their fear of letting the race play out in all of the states and letting everyone have a say in choosing the Democratic nominee is based on the knowledge that the last time that happened, Sanders was not the "popular" choice and lost by a large margin of votes in the end.

Don't try to treat us like we're stupid -- we know Sanders will be competitive in states like Iowa and New Hampshire, but attempting to disregard the votes (and delegates) of the other states shows clear bias for your candidate, and a lack of respect for democracy and the votes of all American citizens.

If Sanders is to be the nominee, then let him earn it -- don't try to anoint him as the "people's choice" after only one or two (predominately white) states.

[Zauriel]

Sanders has all of eleven delegates -- it's way too soon to start saying Sanders is "popular" and Biden isn't based on one state whose demographics aren't a reflection of the Democratic party.

Again, Sanders tied for first in Iowa last election and still lost by millions of votes -- winning Iowa doesn't mean Sanders is "popular" with most voters, Democratic or otherwise.

Those claiming Iowa is somehow representative of the will of Democrats as a whole are only doing so because they know Sanders isn't going to be as competitive in other states -- their fear of letting the race play out in all of the states and letting everyone have a say in choosing the Democratic nominee is based on the knowledge that the last time that happened, Sanders was not the "popular" choice and lost by a large margin of votes in the end.

Sanders will be most likely to win NH primary. His home state Vermont is next-door neighbor to New Hampshire. Sanders won the last NH primary 4 years ago. Bernie Sanders defeated Hillary Clinton by 22% in the popular vote. Sanders claimed 15 delegates to Clinton's 9.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_N...cratic_primary

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/u...wa-caucus.html

Maybe Biden didn't fare well in Iowa because the people saw how stuttered he was and that he couldn't remember when he was the vice-president. He even thought he was POTUS a while ago.

[aja_christopher]

Sanders will be most likely to win NH primary. His home state Vermont is next-door neighbor to New Hampshire. Sanders won the last NH primary 4 years ago. Bernie Sanders defeated Hillary Clinton by 22% in the popular vote. Sanders claimed 15 delegates to Clinton's 9.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_N...cratic_primary

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/u...wa-caucus.html

Maybe Biden didn't fare well in Iowa because the people saw how stuttered he was and that he couldn't remember when he was the vice-president. He even thought he was POTUS a while ago.

And Clinton defeated Sanders by four million votes in the end, proving he wasn't even close to the most "popular" candidate in the race.

Sanders and Buttigieg fared well there because they are predominately white states that are in no way representative of the Democratic party as a whole.

This is just further proof that many on the "left" don't care about voters of color unless they are supporting their political candidate.

I'm not even claiming that Sanders isn't viable in other states -- just that people should let the process play out before trying to announce a winner.

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"Around 87% of Iowans are white and non-Hispanic, compared to just 61% of the country as a whole. Yet every four years the state gets to fire the starting gun in the presidential primaries and caucuses...

Any discussion of Iowa’s blanched population usually also implicates New Hampshire, where the population is even less diverse by a small margin. The state, which has long held the second primary contest in presidential election years, is 91% non-Hispanic white."

https://time.com/5778635/iowa-new-ha...rimary-caucus/

[Gray Lensman]

And Clinton defeated Sanders by four million votes in the end, proving he wasn't even close to the most "popular" candidate in the race.

Sanders and Buttigieg fared well there because they are predominately white states that are in no way representative of the Democratic party as a whole.

This is just further proof that many on the "left" don't care about voters of color unless they are supporting their political candidate.

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"Around 87% of Iowans are white and non-Hispanic, compared to just 61% of the country as a whole. Yet every four years the state gets to fire the starting gun in the presidential primaries and caucuses...

Any discussion of Iowa’s blanched population usually also implicates New Hampshire, where the population is even less diverse by a small margin. The state, which has long held the second primary contest in presidential election years, is 91% non-Hispanic white."

https://time.com/5778635/iowa-new-ha...rimary-caucus/

Although Sanders winning New Hampshire is incredibly likely. He is, as was stated, right next door and the two states share a lot of local TV stations (I grew up on the other side of the broadcast area across Lake Champlain in upstate NY). Warren doesn't have the same advantage as Sanders since the local broadcasts favor Vermont and, well, to be honest, the right leaning people in New Hampshire blame everything in Massachusetts in the same was as the ones here in Nevada blame California.

Although I'd wait until after the Nevada primary before trying to annoit a real front runner myself.

[numberthirty]

Sanders has all of eleven delegates -- it's way too soon to start saying Sanders is "popular" and Biden isn't based on one state whose demographics aren't an accurate reflection of the Democratic party.

Again, Sanders tied for first in Iowa last election and still lost by millions of votes -- winning Iowa doesn't mean Sanders is "popular" with most voters, Democratic or otherwise.

Those claiming Iowa is somehow representative of the will of Democrats as a whole are only doing so because they know Sanders isn't going to be as competitive in other regions -- their fear of letting the race play out in all of the states and letting everyone have a say in choosing the Democratic nominee is based on the knowledge that the last time that happened, Sanders was not the "popular" choice and lost by a large margin of votes in the end.

Don't try to treat us like we're stupid -- we know Sanders will be competitive in states like Iowa and New Hampshire, but attempting to disregard the votes (and delegates) of the other states shows clear bias for your candidate, and a lack of respect for democracy and the votes of all American citizens.

If Sanders is to be the nominee, then let him earn it -- don't try to anoint him as the "people's choice" after only one or two (predominately white) states.

The nomination process of the party we are discussing is going to essentially sell Bloomberg the debate rules he would like.

Never mind that "All American Citizens..." gets pretty laughable when the party largely forces a citizen to join the party to take part in it's nomination process.

So...

Talking about that it's other folks who lack a respect for democracy is going to go nose over tail pretty quickly.