All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[Tazirai]

Just saw this on Twitter

Journo: Pete claimed victory, why should people believe you when you claim victory?
Bernie: Because I got 6,000 more votes than he did

“Because I got 6,000 more votes. From where I come, when you get 6,000 more votes that's generally regarded to be the winner.

Media trying to discredit Bernie win lol.

[shooshoomanjoe]

Spoken like someone who doesn’t understand primaries and just wanted to say words to vent

Let's be honest. If Bernie doesn't get the nomination Bernie Bros will charge fraud regardless of who wins.

[Tazirai]

Spoken like someone who doesn’t understand primaries and just wanted to say words to vent

I don't have that person on ignore, because watching the ignorance on display is kinda fun. Because the level of trolling is amazing. I just won't respond to them or that person I can't stand posts.

[Zauriel]

Winning only the liberals' votes is not enough. The presidential nominee also needs to win the votes of the moderate and centrist members of the Democratic Party like Bill Clinton and Obama did.

Bill Clinton won both elections because he was able to attract the moderate voters and independent voters. Obama did the same.

[Tazirai]

Winning only the liberals' votes is not enough. The presidential nominee also needs to win the votes of the moderate and centrist members of the Democratic Party like Bill Clinton and Obama did.

Bill Clinton won both elections because he was able to attract the moderate voters and independent voters. Obama did the same.

That's the rub, Bernie gets all those. There's a media narrative that says he only gets liberals.
Bernie might have lost to Clinton in the end, and yeah her ties were deep, and to ignore how embedded she was in the process is insane (Not saying you), but he won ALL the rustbelt states.
Then he went to red states and won them.

There is so much false info about who Bernie reaches it's nuts. The thing is he knows he needs to get new people to give a ****, because after he, Pelosi, Schumer, and the others die, it's up to them to run things.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Let's be honest. If Bernie doesn't get the nomination Bernie Bros will charge fraud regardless of who wins.

Let’s be honest.... things we factually know happened.

1. A primary Bernie did well in and his chief opponent did poorly in got delayed so that on Thursday between two primary’s he couldn’t campaign as the winner

2. We know results from a precinct were released against Bernie’s favor that the precinct leaders had to publicly say the DNC got wrong and the DNC had to adjust it in Bernie’s favor.

3. For most of the week the numbers that were released kept a primary opponent in the lead and as soon as Bernie was projected to win with the final 3 percent the head of the DNC called for a recanvass

That’s not speculation or reaching. Those are just facts that we know happened

[Gray Lensman]

Just saw this on Twitter




“Because I got 6,000 more votes. From where I come, when you get 6,000 more votes that's generally regarded to be the winner.

Media trying to discredit Bernie win lol.

Iowa also has it's own little version of the electoral college, and as we know from the 2016 presidential results, it's the delegates that matter more than the popular vote (even though it shouldn't).

[aja_christopher]

That's the rub, Bernie gets all those. There's a media narrative that says he only gets liberals.

No matter what the "media" says, in the end he has to get the votes to prove he's the best candidate to go into the general election.

That's why a lot of these "debates" are useless -- the only way people are going to believe Sanders can win is if he has the votes to prove it.

[Theleviathan]

Buttigeg benefited from it. Sanders was screwed by the process.

What? Buttigieg finishing first or second is a huge win for him and he got robbed by this screw-up. Buttigieg and Sanders are the clear losers.

Biden was the clear winner. Making this all muddled reduces the impact of the results, so the overperformers lose and the underperformers win. Back off the ledge man.

[aja_christopher]

"The Billion-Dollar Disinformation Campaign to Reelect the President"

How new technologies and techniques pioneered by dictators will shape the 2020 election

"After the 2016 election, much was made of the threats posed to American democracy by foreign disinformation. Stories of Russian troll farms and Macedonian fake-news mills loomed in the national imagination. But while these shadowy outside forces preoccupied politicians and journalists, Trump and his domestic allies were beginning to adopt the same tactics of information warfare that have kept the world’s demagogues and strongmen in power.

Every presidential campaign sees its share of spin and misdirection, but this year’s contest promises to be different. In conversations with political strategists and other experts, a dystopian picture of the general election comes into view—one shaped by coordinated bot attacks, Potemkin local-news sites, micro-targeted fearmongering, and anonymous mass texting. Both parties will have these tools at their disposal. But in the hands of a president who lies constantly, who traffics in conspiracy theories, and who readily manipulates the levers of government for his own gain, their potential to wreak havoc is enormous.

The Trump campaign is planning to spend more than $1 billion, and it will be aided by a vast coalition of partisan media, outside political groups, and enterprising freelance operatives. These pro-Trump forces are poised to wage what could be the most extensive disinformation campaign in U.S. history.

Whether or not it succeeds in reelecting the president, the wreckage it leaves behind could be irreparable."

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...on-war/605530/

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

What? Buttigieg finishing first or second is a huge win for him and he got robbed by this screw-up. Buttigieg and Sanders are the clear losers.

Biden was the clear winner. Making this all muddled reduces the impact of the results, so the overperformers lose and the underperformers win. Back off the ledge man.

I do agree with this. Buttigieg wanted to campaign on a victory or a surprising showing. He wasn’t able to. Is he’s in 3rd in NH and has to try to overcome that. A strong week of campaigning would help him

[kidfresh512]

"The Billion-Dollar Disinformation Campaign to Reelect the President"

How new technologies and techniques pioneered by dictators will shape the 2020 election

"After the 2016 election, much was made of the threats posed to American democracy by foreign disinformation. Stories of Russian troll farms and Macedonian fake-news mills loomed in the national imagination. But while these shadowy outside forces preoccupied politicians and journalists, Trump and his domestic allies were beginning to adopt the same tactics of information warfare that have kept the world’s demagogues and strongmen in power.

Every presidential campaign sees its share of spin and misdirection, but this year’s contest promises to be different. In conversations with political strategists and other experts, a dystopian picture of the general election comes into view—one shaped by coordinated bot attacks, Potemkin local-news sites, micro-targeted fearmongering, and anonymous mass texting. Both parties will have these tools at their disposal. But in the hands of a president who lies constantly, who traffics in conspiracy theories, and who readily manipulates the levers of government for his own gain, their potential to wreak havoc is enormous.

The Trump campaign is planning to spend more than $1 billion, and it will be aided by a vast coalition of partisan media, outside political groups, and enterprising freelance operatives. These pro-Trump forces are poised to wage what could be the most extensive disinformation campaign in U.S. history.

Whether or not it succeeds in reelecting the president, the wreckage it leaves behind could be irreparable."

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...on-war/605530/

Long article I read it this morning. But, it truly highlights some of the challenges and uphill battles fighting against the disinformation and propaganda from team trump. And the sheer amount of money they are spending to keep votes uninformed and lied too. On all these platforms. So many people still think if they saw it on Facebook its real and just repost without doing any further checking.

Not only from the usual suspects at Fox news and conservative radio. They also are using these social media posts to spread lies and distortions

[PaulBullion]

Bernie Bros: "Hillary Clinton winning the popular votes by 3 million votes means NOTHING!"

Also Bernie Bros: "Bernie Sanders winning the Ioaw popular votes by four people, a coin toss and a pastrami sandwich means EVERYTHING!"

[Billy Batson]

[Dalak]

Tom Perez
@TomPerez
Enough is enough. In light of the problems that have emerged in the implementation of the delegate selection plan and in order to assure public confidence in the results, I am calling on the Iowa Democratic Party to immediately begin a recanvass.


jack allison
@jackallisonLOL
So they release results showing #MayorCheat is in the lead until Bernie’s climbing with 98% in. Then they scrap the ENTIRE CAUCUS, LIKE THEY DID WITH THE POLL. THIS IS WHAT WE MEAN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DNC CHEATING, OBVIOUSLY, OUT IN THE OPEN

Tom Perez posted this as an immediate reply clearly visible in your link

A recanvass is a review of the worksheets from each caucus site to ensure accuracy.

The IDP will continue to report results.

So how is that 'scrapping' the caucus? Who benefits from leaving that out besides those who want to sow division and keep up the fighting?