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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    By that stage all roads to victory were closed to Sanders, he didn't provide a genuine threat to Hillary. That's why she dominated the election.

    Edit: This is why I said at Super Tuesday, not now.
    The biggest issue with that election was that most of the super delegates were already declaring for Clinton before a single vote was cast and the news media was counting it to her total (it wouldn't have went to her if she lost) so it created the perception that she was unbeatable. In elections that is significant when it comes to turn out. It either said alot for Sanders strength or Clinton weakness that it went as far as it did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    Because people have terrible memories and think that he was a great general election politician because he was attached to Obama and accomplished the oh so lofty feat of out debating Sarah Palin.
    Anyone could beat Sarah Palin at any debate.

    Obama still has not endorsed Biden's presidential bid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zauriel View Post
    Anyone could beat Sarah Palin at any debate.

    Obama still has not endorsed Biden's presidential bid.
    That was the joke. Obama isn't endorsing Biden because Biden could still lose regardless and it would be an issue if Obama, who is expected to stump for whoever won, ended up having to support the person he didn't endorse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zauriel View Post
    In 1992, Governor Clinton never won Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada primaries, but he did win South Carolina primary.

    South Carolina primary could be Biden's last chance at snatching victory from the jaws of his doomed campaign. If SC loss doesn't stop him, I won't argue with his decision to keep running his campaign to the end of the race.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_D...tial_primaries
    To put it simply...

    It's bad enough that bending the rules for Bloomberg when the DNC didn't for other candidates that voter support would have eliminated has the potential to alienate some folk who might vote for the Democratic Party nominee in the General Election.

    While there will be things that will unintentionally alienate those same voters, there is right around "Zero..." reason to take actions that stands a good chance of alienating them.

    Any attempt at forcing Biden out of the race before he is willing to leave the race himself potentially leads to that. While there's nothing wrong with being realistic about his chances, there is no reason to call for him to get out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    Des this mean you think Sanders should have quit after Super Tuesday in '16?
    You are kidding, right?

    Think about when the Michigan/Wisconsin primaries were held, and what they pointed to when they were.

    Don't get me wrong. I get where you're going, but this ain't exactly "Apple"/"Apple".
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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    To put it simply...

    It's bad enough that bending the rules for Bloomberg when the DNC didn't for other candidates that voter support would have eliminated has the potential to alienate some folk who might vote for the Democratic Party nominee in the General Election.

    While there will be things that will unintentionally alienate those same voters, there is right around "Zero..." reason to take actions that stands a good chance of alienating them.

    Any attempt at forcing Biden out of the race before he is willing to leave the race himself potentially leads to that. While there's nothing wrong with being realistic about his chances, there is no reason to call for him to get out.
    Yes. Biden would be foolish to leave a race he was leading in a few weeks ago simply because he lost two states that most people put the bulk of their resources in. Biden's could have lost before in another scenario and been fine. The issue for him now is that he lost big in NH and now he's in a situation where Sanders took the progressive lane and Buttigieg/Klobuchar rose up as realistical threats to him and now Bloomberg is spending a fortune to make all his Super Tuesday races in doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    Yes. Biden would be foolish to leave a race he was leading in a few weeks ago simply because he lost two states that most people put the bulk of their resources in. Biden's could have lost before in another scenario and been fine. The issue for him now is that he lost big in NH and now he's in a situation where Sanders took the progressive lane and Buttigieg/Klobuchar rose up as realistical threats to him and now Bloomberg is spending a fortune to make all his Super Tuesday races in doubt.
    One guy's take...

    It's currently a race where no one is running off with the delegates.

    Biden does halfway decent, and he has a realistic chance at getting right back in the "Delegate..." running. There is no point in potentially ruffling any potential voter's feathers calling for him to get out when that's the lay of the land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zauriel View Post
    That is because Hillary's allies fixed the primaries and caucuses so she could win.
    My eyes, they roll. This didn't actually happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    The biggest issue with that election was that most of the super delegates were already declaring for Clinton before a single vote was cast and the news media was counting it to her total (it wouldn't have went to her if she lost) so it created the perception that she was unbeatable. In elections that is significant when it comes to turn out. It either said alot for Sanders strength or Clinton weakness that it went as far as it did.
    This too isn't terribly accurate. Sanders was eliminated on pledged delegates alone, which is why he was later advancing arguments that superdelegates should give him the nomination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    One guy's take...

    It's currently a race where no one is running off with the delegates.

    Biden does halfway decent, and he has a realistic chance at getting right back in the "Delegate..." running. There is no point in potentially ruffling any potential voter's feathers calling for him to get out when that's the lay of the land.
    I agree with your much more balanced posting approach today. I think you're right not to dismiss Biden just yet. His problem, of course, isn't that he lost in Iowa and New Hampshire...it was the severity. A big win in South Carolina might be a huge boon to him, but keeping some semblance of relevance prior to that would help too.

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    This season of the White House sucks, especially now that we are bringing back some old regulars for cheap rating boosts. Ugh. I hope we get a new showrunner this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theleviathan View Post
    I agree with your much more balanced posting approach today. I think you're right not to dismiss Biden just yet. His problem, of course, isn't that he lost in Iowa and New Hampshire...it was the severity. A big win in South Carolina might be a huge boon to him, but keeping some semblance of relevance prior to that would help too.
    Not really even about Biden.

    There's going to be enough friction as it stands. Taking an action that could potentially create friction for no really, really good reason makes very little sense.

    All downside/no upside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InformationGeek View Post
    This season of the White House sucks, especially now that we are bringing back some old regulars for cheap rating boosts. Ugh. I hope we get a new showrunner this year.
    Politely, I believe you might be mistaken.

    Feels a little more like, "Since Even Puck From The Real World Told Us 'Ain't Gonna Happen...', We're Just Making An Offer To Anyone That We Think Might Be Dumb Enough To Take It..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    Politely, I believe you might be mistaken.

    Feels a little more like, "Since Even Puck From The Real World Told Us 'Ain't Gonna Happen...', We're Just Making An Offer To Anyone That We Think Might Be Dumb Enough To Take It..."
    Yeah, I think Trump is getting to the point where he's running out of Lackeys to do the menial jobs he can't do himself.
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    https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/...-country-awful

    According to a recent Gallup poll, the majority of Democrats have a positive view of socialism. With the rise of Bernie Sanders as the clear and obvious front runner for the Democratic nomination, it seems Americans are starting to warm to the idea of a more socialist America. But America must never become socialist, lest we abandon what makes our country awful.

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