All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[Tami]

When you say get things done. What do you mean by that?

Get things done that harm the people in favor of Bipartisanship?
Or get things done that actually help us?

I used to be a moderate in favor of "Gettings things done". But then I found out that most of those things don't involve my welfare.
I get more radical as time goes on because things are literally not getting done.The things that are are not to our benefit.

I honestly cannot think of a single thing done to benefit me in the last 5 years. From either party.
I don't want to get things done with War Mongers, people that look down on Palestinians, invade South American countries in the form of Coups, cannot negotiate medicine, ignore the roads I drive on, the safety of the food and water, promote guns in schools, deny a wage increase, threaten the welfare of the environment, impede on native lands, etc.

So what are we getting done that helps us? I'm honestly intrigued as I here this vague term from many moderates and conservatives, and especially the media.

Getting things done as in making things happen, getting past gridlock. Doing what needs to be done, but doing it the right way, the legal, democratic way.

I'm looking at the candidates as if I am looking at their resumes for a job. This isn't an entry level position. I am looking for someone who can 'hit the ground running', who doesn't need to be trained, for whom there is little or no learning curve.

Bringing in an outsider is like hiring the Bosses Nephew, who is fresh out of college, for a Senior management position.

Turner, for example, should run for Governor first. After she is governor for a while, she'd have a better resume for a VP position, or even potentially a presidential run herself.

[Superbat]

Completely missed what I was getting at. This isn't about words, this is about deeds and experiencing life as as socialist most people don't get the opportunities to do. It's not about reworking America over into a hippy commune, it would be about exploring various socialisms in the real world rather than reading about it in an academic paper.

You don't have a point.

Sanders wanted different things than what those hippies wanted. He wasn't going to do what they were doing just because they shared a label.

[Tazirai]

Getting things done as in making things happen, getting past gridlock. Doing what needs to be done, but doing it the right way, the legal, democratic way.

I'm looking at the candidates as if I am looking at their resumes for a job. This isn't an entry level position. I am looking for someone who can 'hit the ground running', who doesn't need to be trained, for whom there is little or no learning curve.

Bringing in an outsider is like hiring the Bosses Nephew, who is fresh out of college, for a Senior management position.

Turner, for example, should run for Governor first. After she is governor for a while, she'd have a better resume for a VP position, or even potentially a presidential run herself.

I don't mean the person. I mean what THINGS are these people supposed to get done?
Republicans bully Democrats, and Democrats bend the knee.
What are they going to do that helps US?

[Superbat]

Bernie Sanders’s Biggest Test Yet With Latino Voters

The senator notched decisive victories with Latinos in Iowa and New Hampshire. Can he do it again in Nevada?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...latino/606628/

Bernie Sanders wasn’t physically at a Las Vegas town hall on Thursday hosted by a Latino civil-rights group, but the enthusiasm for his campaign was still apparent. While three of his rivals—former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg; Senator Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota; and the businessman Tom Steyer—were there in person and got warm receptions, the largely Latino crowd broke out in chants of “Bernie, Bernie” when the senator from Vermont appeared on a ******stream.

Even though the Democratic primary kicked off with contests in two of the whitest states in the country, Bernie Sanders is already winning big with Latino voters. In both Iowa and New Hampshire, Sanders claimed an overwhelming victory with Latinos—a validation of his playbook of mobilizing Latino voters that will now face its biggest test yet in Nevada, which is nearly 30 percent Latino and holds its caucus on Saturday. Though other candidates could still chip away at his advantage, Sanders’s success so far sends a clear sign to the rest of his field: His focus on Latino voters is paying off, and they have a daunting amount of work to do to catch up.

While overall turnout in the Iowa caucus was similar to that of 2016, Matt Barreto, the co-founder of the UCLA Latino Policy and Politics Initiative, told me he estimates that Latino turnout at least doubled from four years ago, and that these voters broke sharply for Sanders. He won 51 percent of votes in the state’s 30 precincts with the most Latino voters, and in the 12 Latino-majority precincts, he won 66 percent of caucus-goers, according to an analysis by LPPI.

Neither of the two early states have particularly large Latino populations, but in Iowa, which is around 6 percent Latino, the Sanders campaign spent months circulating flyers to Latino voters, partnering with local Latino groups, and recruiting Latino canvassers and staff—a strategy that he has also deployed in Nevada, where a recent poll shows him as the clear front-runner. Sanders’s track record in Iowa and New Hampshire bodes well for his chances with Latino voters in the state—but this time around, he faces more competition.

One potential point of weakness for Sanders emerged this week, when the state’s powerful Culinary Union, whose members are overwhelmingly Latino, criticized the senator for his Medicare for All plan. Several candidates—such as Buttigieg and Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, pounced to try to win the group’s support. (On Thursday, the union declined to endorse a candidate.)

As the Democratic contenders descend on Nevada ahead of the caucus, all of them are frantically seeking to woo Latino voters. But Nevada presents challenges for Sanders’s rivals—among Latinos, the senator’s campaign is already light-years ahead of them, says Domingo Garcia, the president of the League of United Latin American Citizens, the country’s largest Latino civil-rights group.

[Tami]

I don't mean the person. I mean what THINGS are these people supposed to get done?
Republicans bully Democrats, and Democrats bend the knee.
What are they going to do that helps US?

If nothing ever got done, over the last hundred years, we'd have no Social Security, no Medicare/Medicaid, no ACA, no EPA, no laws at all, and so on. If nothing got done, we'd know because this country would be subdivided between Russia and China by now. Or Nazi Germany would have won WWII.

Things do get done, they may not get done as fast as we'd like, or be dramatic in how they affect all of us, but things do get done.

[aja_christopher]

I don't mean the person. I mean what THINGS are these people supposed to get done?
Republicans bully Democrats, and Democrats bend the knee.

You keep using that term "bend the knee" like it applies to every situation -- it doesn't.

The fact is that they can't do anything without the power to do so, which is given to them by voters.

This is why people criticize Sanders as well -- he talks a good fight, but we have yet to see him actually put his vision into action.

The Democrats can't do anything without the numbers to do so in Congress -- and that includes Sanders.

That has absolutely nothing to do with "bending" any knee and everything to do with the "left" not showing up for midterms and SC picks.

[Steel Inquisitor]

Just so you know I do not support Gabbards. I do TRUST Nina Turner, more than I do the MAJORITY of Democrats.
I do not trust a DAMN word Politico writes whether it favors or shits on Sanders.

Again. I don't fall for Propaganda regardless of what you say.

What about Jacobin?

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/06/n...mocratic-party

Another aspect of the Politico story was the revelation of anti-immigration comments made by a former Our Revolution staff member. Do you have anything to say about the substance of her comments, the idea that Latino immigration hurts native-born black communities?

Her comments were wrong. Our Revolution has had and continues to have a strong commitment to immigration reform and DACA. If you were to line up all of our pillar issues, the efforts we’ve given in terms of fighting for immigration reform and DACA is second only to Medicare for All.

Why separates Turner from Gabbard to you? The two are tied at the hip in politics, whenever Gabbard gets into a controversy Turner isn't far behind defending her.

Why do you trust Turner more than the Democrats?

WHAT Terrible things has Sanders done? PLEASE enlighten me, You know I'll read and respond. I always do, except for 3 people. I don't take Paul, Leviathan, and the Squirrel serious.

Sierra Blanca. He wanted to dump radioactive waste in a Latino Community who refused it.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c47356...ear-waste-dump

https://www.texastribune.org/2016/02...xas-Activists/

Getting Joe Rogan's endorsement.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2...enry-kissinger

Endorsing Cenk Uyger.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/...th************

Sanders honeymoon in the Soviet Union. There are videos of this.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...r-new-scrutiny

Sanders supporting the Sandinista's in 1985.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/07/b...ica-sandinista

That's just off the top of my head, there are other things.

You don't have a point.

Sanders wanted different things than what those hippies wanted. He wasn't going to do what they were doing just because they shared a label.

My point is plain as can be. I didn't say he had to agree with them, It was about the experience of socialism - it's not like you can do that anywhere in America. Being a reporter he was interested in hearing what they had to say, but didn't want to put himself in their shoes. To live as they did. Had he done what I was saying would you have been impressed how far he was going to experience socialism? Isn't that the goal, to make America socialist?

[Superbat]

My point is plain as can be. I didn't say he had to agree with them, It was about the experience of socialism - it's not like you can do that anywhere in America. Being a reporter he was interested in hearing what they had to say, but didn't want to put himself in their shoes. To live as they did. Had he done what I was saying would you have been impressed how far he was going to experience socialism? Isn't that the goal, to make America socialist?

The goals are on his issues page.

Read it so that you know what he actually wants to change in America.

[numberthirty]

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My point is plain as can be. I didn't say he had to agree with them, It was about the experience of socialism - it's not like you can do that anywhere in America. Being a reporter he was interested in hearing what they had to say, but didn't want to put himself in their shoes. To live as they did. Had he done what I was saying would you have been impressed how far he was going to experience socialism? Isn't that the goal, to make America socialist?

Could you tell me where, exactly, you got that idea?

[4saken1]

If nothing ever got done, over the last hundred years, we'd have no Social Security, no Medicare/Medicaid, no ACA, no EPA, no laws at all, and so on. If nothing got done, we'd know because this country would be subdivided between Russia and China by now. Or Nazi Germany would have won WWII.

Things do get done, they may not get done as fast as we'd like, or be dramatic in how they affect all of us, but things do get done.

Yeah, not to mention all of the things that didn't get done because of how many people don't vote for Democrats whop aren't Progressive enough. Imagine what could have been accomplished under Gore or Hillary, especially with a few more Democratic Congressmen that would have likely won had voter turnout been better. The Supreme Court decisions for voting rights, gerrymandering, and Citizens United would have all turned out differently with a more liberal court. Abortion rights would be protected. Asylum seekers would have safe haven. We wouldn't have gone to war in Iraq. We would still be in the Paris Climate Accord and TPP. We would still have a peace agreement with Iran. I could go on! So many things would be different if people were able to accept an imperfect Democrat as a better option than vile cretinous Republicans instead of believing the intellectually lazy trope that 'both Parties are just as bad'.

[numberthirty]

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Sierra Blanca. He wanted to dump radioactive waste in a Latino Community who refused it.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c47356...ear-waste-dump

https://www.texastribune.org/2016/02...xas-Activists/

This has been out there, and Sanders has Latino support.

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Getting Joe Rogan's endorsement.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2...enry-kissinger

Endorsing Cenk Uyger.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/...th************

Is that where these stories ended? If not, how did they play out?

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Sanders honeymoon in the Soviet Union. There are videos of this.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...r-new-scrutiny

Sanders supporting the Sandinista's in 1985.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/07/b...ica-sandinista

Since you brought this outfit up...

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/07/b...ica-sandinista

Why Bernie Was Right to Oppose US Intervention in Central America

[numberthirty]

Getting things done as in making things happen, getting past gridlock. Doing what needs to be done, but doing it the right way, the legal, democratic way.

I'm looking at the candidates as if I am looking at their resumes for a job. This isn't an entry level position. I am looking for someone who can 'hit the ground running', who doesn't need to be trained, for whom there is little or no learning curve.

Bringing in an outsider is like hiring the Bosses Nephew, who is fresh out of college, for a Senior management position.

Turner, for example, should run for Governor first. After she is governor for a while, she'd have a better resume for a VP position, or even potentially a presidential run herself.

To put it politely...

Exactly what "Legal"/"Democratic" way?

- The one where folks in Congress are not subject to the same stock market laws as Joe/Jane Public?
- The one where lobbyists have had a ridiculous amount of say in what winds up being legal?

[Tazirai]

[Tazirai]

What about Jacobin?

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/06/n...mocratic-party



Why separates Turner from Gabbard to you? The two are tied at the hip in politics, whenever Gabbard gets into a controversy Turner isn't far behind defending her.

Why do you trust Turner more than the Democrats?



Sierra Blanca. He wanted to dump radioactive waste in a Latino Community who refused it.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c47356...ear-waste-dump

https://www.texastribune.org/2016/02...xas-Activists/

Getting Joe Rogan's endorsement.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2...enry-kissinger

Endorsing Cenk Uyger.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/...th************

Sanders honeymoon in the Soviet Union. There are videos of this.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...r-new-scrutiny

Sanders supporting the Sandinista's in 1985.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/07/b...ica-sandinista

That's just off the top of my head, there are other things.



My point is plain as can be. I didn't say he had to agree with them, It was about the experience of socialism - it's not like you can do that anywhere in America. Being a reporter he was interested in hearing what they had to say, but didn't want to put himself in their shoes. To live as they did. Had he done what I was saying would you have been impressed how far he was going to experience socialism? Isn't that the goal, to make America socialist?

The waste dump issue isn't as big of a thing, if it ever was
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/be...nuclear-waste/

Since you didn't post the full context. I'll post Sanders reasonings from his own mouth.

Let me touch, for a moment, upon the environmental aspects of this issue. And let me address it from the perspective of someone who is an opponent of nuclear power, opposes the construction of nuclear power plants and if he had his way, would shut down the existing nuclear power plants as quickly and as safely as we could.

One of the reasons that many of us oppose nuclear power plants is that when this technology was developed, there was not a lot of thought given as to how we dispose of the nuclear waste. But…the reality, as others have already pointed out, is that the waste is here. We can’t wish it away. It exists in power plants in Maine and Vermont, it exists in hospitals, it is here…So the real environmental issue here is not to wish it away, but to make the judgement, the important environmental judgement as to what is the safest way of disposing of the nuclear waste that has been created.

…Leaving the radioactive waste at the site where it was produced — despite the fact that that site might be extremely unsafe in terms of long-term isolation of the waste, and was never intended to be a long-term depository of low-level waste — is horrendous environmental policy…No reputable scientist of environmentalist believes that the geology of Vermont or Maine would be a good place for this waste. In the humid climate of Vermont and Maine, it is more likely that ground water will come in contact with that waste and carry off radioactive elements to the accessible environment.

There is widespread scientific evidence to suggest, on the other hand, that locations in Texas — some of which receive less than 12 inches of rainfall a year, a region where the groundwater table is more than 700 feet below the surface — is a far better location for this waste. This is not a political assertion, it is a geological and environmental reality.

Joe Rogans endorsement is not a bad nor terrible thing. I disagree with Rogan on many things, but his audience is MASSIVE, I thought the moderates wanted to reach across the aisle and get voters from the other side?

Ceny Ugyurs Endorsement is also not a bad nor a terrible thing. It was a smear campaign that triggered and will ALWAYS trigger the WOKE crowd who finds everything wrong and upsetting to someone. Ugyur even addressed this BEFORE he even considered running.
Bernie only took back the endorsement after Ugyur asked him to. Which is why he didn't take away Rogans.
Why? We cannot give into the Woke crowd who always finds something to be upset about. We give in to that group, we'll always give in.


Sanders "Honeymoon" is a big SO WHAT! We can't travel the ONE planet we live on?

Also if you were being honest, you'd realize that he didn't go alone, He went with Republicans and Democrats during what is called the Sister Cities Program, which by the way is still going on today.
The way you guys make it seem is that If I go to Russia and give it ANY form of praise, I'm somehow a commie? What is this the Red Scare?

Is Russia at fault for everything?

Bernie was right to combat the invasion of South America. It's part of the problems we have down there to this day.


So where was this HORRIBLE, TERRIBLE, MALICIOUS stuff he was supposed to have done?

[Tendrin]

The waste dump issue isn't as big of a thing, if it ever was
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/be...nuclear-waste/

Since you didn't post the full context. I'll post Sanders reasonings from his own mouth.

….dude... That... isn't a good look for Sanders still.