All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Question. Are you denying the horde of Russian bots that helped Trump and also Bernie. Yes or no.

You do realize most intelligence officials understand a big part of this election interference is to create disruption and paranoia in the country and this just plays into?

[jetengine]

You do realize most intelligence officials understand a big part of this election interference is to create disruption and paranoia in the country and this just plays into?

Yes, however to imply that 'Russia likes this lol' is a standard tactic for republicans is horribly disingenuous. We have ROCK SOLID PROOF Russias meddling. Bringing up JFK and Reagan just makes it look like going "Boo commies" is merely a right wing tactic

[PaulBullion]

The anti-Buttigieg wing of the Sanders movement has some of the most hateful homophobes I have EVER seen online.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Yes, however to imply that 'Russia likes this lol' is a standard tactic for republicans is horribly disingenuous.

A Sanders presidency isn’t better for Russia than a Trump presidency. The only reason they would help Sanders is because they think certain Democrats would go out of their way to undermine Sanders and help Trump. So no, it’s quite literally playing into their hand

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

The anti-Buttigieg wing of the Sanders movement has some of the most hateful homophobes I have EVER seen online.

Sorry Buttigieg has neatly zero minority support and is going out attacking the person with the most as not being able to build an inclusive enough coalition. Sorry the dude who bet his campaign on the super white states doesn’t have credibility anymore on this. Nice try though. You are free to hero digging

[PaulBullion]

Sorry Buttigieg has neatly zero minority support and is going out attacking the person with the most as not being able to build an inclusive enough coalition. Sorry the dude who bet his campaign on the super white states doesn’t have credibility anymore on this. Nice try though. You are free to hero digging

Are you seriously defending those guys who say that all gay men are pedophiles? How low can you go?

[Steel Inquisitor]

Paul says he wants Bernie to have another heart attack and your first instinct is to tell us that front runners get attacked.

What happened to denouncing people? Can't you do it when it's one of your fellow anti-Bernie posters?

No, it's been very clear that wasn't his intention.

You're the last person to have the moral high ground in this thread for denouncing people on your own side pushing limits they shouldn't. It took a great effort on my behalf to get you to agree with some of my stances on the Bernie Bros and continue to support the narrative that the Bros did nothing wrong.

I'll denounce the posters when they get out of line, not when the Bernie supporters have an agenda to push whenever they think they see weakness.

He admitted it.

That's not a confession to anything, there is nothing bad about wanting an elderly man with a heart condition to retire rather than risking their health for the most stressful job on Earth.

There is no other way to interpret his post.

Sure there is.

Voting isn't democratic?

Voting is, purging the party of anyone who don't fit within your ideology isn't. Besides being ethical implications , it'd ensure the Democrats lose their status as a national party. The Justice Democrats certainly haven't show they can replenish those numbers, anyway.

[PaulBullion]

It's funny how I have not said one nice thing about Buttigieg as a candidate, but I am "Hero Digging" for suggesting he should not be called a pedophile or be compared to serial killer just because he is gay.

[Steel Inquisitor]

If they can keep winning elections they'll remain in the party but don't expect us to treat them any better than they treated us.

Let you into the party to run against them? Don't fault the Democrats for your faction's poor capacity for getting elected. You're not owed leadership positions, first you need politicians to get elected then you need them to win elections within congress. Nobody is stopping them doing this.

[numberthirty]

Let you into the party to run against them? Don't fault the Democrats for your faction's poor capacity for getting elected. You're not owed leadership positions, first you need politicians to get elected then you need them to win elections within congress. Nobody is stopping them doing this.

Let's take a moment to look back at things that actually happened...

When mainstream Dems lost the lost the lock/stock/barrel in 2016, they went to Sanders to give him a Senate leadership position after they face planted.

If you are who they are going to try to get to lend them a hand, that help should come with a realistic amount of say in not screwing things up all over again.

[PaulBullion]

Let's take a moment to look back at things that actually happened...

When mainstream Dems lost the lost the lock/stock/barrel in 2016, they went to Sanders to give him a Senate leadership position after they face planted.

If you are who they are going to try to get to lend them a hand, that help should come with a realistic amount of say in not screwing things up all over again.

That was the biggest mistake Dem leadership made. They should have sent him fishing.

[numberthirty]

That was the biggest mistake Dem leadership made. They should have sent him fishing.

If you look at how they ran the 2016 General Election season into the ditch and still actually believe that?

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[jetengine]

If you look at how they ran the 2016 General Election season into the ditch and still actually believe that?

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Could it not be said that without the Bernie nom and the Bern or Burn types that Hillarys win (she still got more votes then Trump) would have been even more obvious ?

[Steel Inquisitor]

You don’t know a single thing about the state of his health and are just saying baseless things because you aren’t getting what you want. Thank you for confirming what we all suspected

The objection was that they wanted Sanders to die, Knight, not retire. We know he's a 80 year old man who's had heart attack, that's not enough to question his health? What do you think Sanders is going to all day in the White House?

This conversation definitely has confirmed many things people have suspected, just not what you're assuming.

Your candidate is on a roll winning states, why aren't you happy? If I didn't know the context I'd have thought Sanders was losing badly from these reactions to the primaries.

[Tendrin]

The objection was that they wanted Sanders to die, Knight, not retire. We know he's a 80 year old man who's had heart attack, that's not enough to question his health? What do you think Sanders is going to all day in the White House?

This conversation definitely has confirmed many things people have suspected, just not what you're assuming.

Your candidate is on a roll winning states, why aren't you happy? If I didn't know the context I'd have thought Sanders was losing badly from these reactions to the primaries.

Dominance politics. It's only going to get a lot uglier from his 'energetic fans', unfortunately, especially if Bernie continues to run full steam ahead with his wins, spearheaded by those who ardently believe in it like the so-called 'Dirtbag left', and further amplified fault lines by conservative elements and Russian troll factories. Rat$#$ing is what they'll both do, after all, playing up on this. It's what they've already BEEN doing.

Add on to this, that for some it's not enough to be winning, the 'other side' has to know it's been crushed. The art of leaving a way out to come over to your side is lost on many, as we see right here in this thread.

For what it's worth, I think it's a mistake to say Sanders can't win, but I think the road is going to be a *lot* tougher than a lot of his biggest boosters think, and the outlook for downballot races worrisome. It's putting a lot of the seats won from the GOP by moderate Dems into some serious peril.