All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[Steel Inquisitor]

I blame Sanders.

Colonel Sanders.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

With Obama the choice was half measures or nothing, the same thing Sanders will get. His policies that pass congress or will be judged unlawful by the courts will be vulernerable to getting rolled back, too.

The is the compelling argument for Biden if you are conceding that scenario. Obamacare is ruined beyond repair, it was campiagned against SUCCESSFULLY his entire term which got us in this congressional mess and probably cost him a Supreme Court pick, it faces another Supreme Court challenge with worse odds. And that's the big thing he got done. All the smaller things were pretty much destroyed. The economy is getting abused, all of his executive actions are done, his international deals are gone.

Where is Biden going to succeed where a more popular Obama with a better Congress did not?

At least a candidate with a different ideology might get his big thing to be something somewhat popular that might stick

[Kieran_Frost]

At least a candidate with a different ideology might get his big thing to be something somewhat popular that might stick

I thought Obamacare was popular with the people? Or was I in an echoing chamber for that?

Colonel Sanders.

That's good eatin'

Damn. Now I want fried chicken...

[Steel Inquisitor]

The is the compelling argument for Biden if you are conceding that scenario. Obamacare is ruined beyond repair, it was campiagned against SUCCESSFULLY his entire term which got us in this congressional mess and probably cost him a Supreme Court pick, it faces another Supreme Court challenge with worse odds. And that's the big thing he got done. All the smaller things were pretty much destroyed. The economy is getting abused, all of his executive actions are done, his international deals are gone.

Where is Biden going to succeed where a more popular Obama with a better Congress did not?

At least a candidate with a different ideology might get his big thing to be something somewhat popular that might stick

If Biden can't do it, why would Sanders do any better? At least we have Obamacare, with all its faults. That's not likely with a presidential candidate who campaigns on attacking his own party as the enemy.

[kidfresh512]

Wow Chris Matthew is announcing his immediate retirement tonight live on MSnbc

Hardball over. Good they should give that slot to Ari also

Holy **** he didn't even finish the show bye and peace out

[Kieran_Frost]

As a complete side note: I learnt today a gay man is credited with inventing the high five. HOW COOL IS THAT?

Wow Chris Matthew is announcing his immediate retirement tonight live on MSnbc

Hardball over. Good they should give that slot to Ari also

Ohhhhhh, do you think it's because of the misogynistic questions he was asking the female candidates? (or am I mistaking him with another commentator?)

If Biden can't do it, why would Sanders do any better? At least we have Obamacare, with all its faults. That's not likely with a presidential candidate who campaigns on attacking his own party as the enemy.

Because Biden is a muggle, and Sanders is a wizard. Duh!

[Tofali]

Wow Chris Matthew is announcing his immediate retirement tonight live on MSnbc

Hardball over. Good they should give that slot to Ari also

Thank you i guess i am cheering in Central Park. Can Chuck Todd be next.

[Billy Batson]

Feel the Bern:

Breaking: Chris Matthews, longrunning host of “Hardball” on MSNBC, said Monday that he is resigning from the program, an abrupt exit prompted by a series of recent gaffes and controversies.

Matthews, 74, made the announcement at the start of his program, effective immediately.

[JCAll]

Colonel Sanders.

I always liked "Saint Bernard".

[PwrdOn]

What Muslim ban? Muslims come into the country on a daily basis to live, work, and visit. Banning individuals from a handful of countries known for their extremist violence that were hand-picked by the Obama administration in the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 is not in any way shape or form a 'Muslim ban.' It's unbelievable that after all these years we're still seeing people regurgitate these 'alternative facts' and hyperbole.

Yeah it must be that Trump derangement syndrome, us libs are just sooooo melodramatic about everything.

If Biden can't do it, why would Sanders do any better? At least we have Obamacare, with all its faults. That's not likely with a presidential candidate who campaigns on attacking his own party as the enemy.

Biden can't do ANYTHING, his entire campaign is based on the idea of him just being an empty suit that will be electable because he doesn't offend moderate white voters as much as Trump does, and with all his gaffes on the campaign trail he can't even do that. No offense to Jim Clyburn, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that his endorsement isn't going to matter much to swing voters in the general.

[kidfresh512]

As a complete side note: I learnt today a gay man is credited with inventing the high five. HOW COOL IS THAT?


Ohhhhhh, do you think it's because of the misogynistic questions he was asking the female candidates? (or am I mistaking him with another commentator?)


Because Biden is a muggle, and Sanders is a wizard. Duh!

That was clearly it. He specifically apologized and brought it up suggesting he was from another era and its time the youngsters who are ready step up.

[Steel Inquisitor]

Biden can't do ANYTHING, his entire campaign is based on the idea of him just being an empty suit that will be electable because he doesn't offend moderate white voters as much as Trump does, and with all his gaffes on the campaign trail he can't even do that. No offense to Jim Clyburn, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that his endorsement isn't going to matter much to swing voters in the general.

This is an argument against Biden, not one to lift up Sanders. What does Sanders offer that will be any different in congress? Biden isn't the only candidate with gaffes, Sanders put his foot in his mouth about Cuba during a debate. You're not disproving anything I said.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

I thought Obamacare was popular with the people? Or was I in an echoing chamber for that?


That's good eatin'

Damn. Now I want fried chicken...

You were in an echo chamber. It got more popular once he left office. His entire term it was an albatross around his neck that polled negatively and the Republican Party ran against to gain a majority in Congress and an abundance of data backs this up. This doesn't meanit was a bad policy, it means they couldn't see it well.

[kidfresh512]

Pete is with Biden now in Dallas formally endorsing

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

If Biden can't do it, why would Sanders do any better? At least we have Obamacare, with all its faults. That's not likely with a presidential candidate who campaigns on attacking his own party as the enemy.

That's not the point. The point is that I like Sanders policies and I don't like Biden's. The counter I keep hearing is "well Sanders won't get much done anyways. There's zero evidence Biden would fare any better. And you have no really data to point to that makes it more likely.

So it's a matter of one candidate with superior policies having a hard time passing it vs a candidate with mediocre polcies having a hard time. Pretty easy choice for me. And no you got a water'd down Obamacare without the public option that needed to be passed via reconciliation that got completely undermined by multiple courts and is becoming unaffordable and you needed a popular President and one vote shy of a supermajority to do it.

Biden isn't getting something like that done with the current Congress. Biden is also probably not going to prosecute all the criminal activities of the Trump administration either based off how his last admin went. Biden is also more to the right of Obama and has a worse voting track record. So there's no reason to think he's going to be anymore successful so I'm going to prefer the one whose policies I like better.

More importantly I think Biden's going to lose because his strength right now is based off states he can't win in a general