All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[Jackmando7]

Hmm I guess I was under the impression a great deal of Sanders supporters just stayed home on election day last time. I also know how a lot of them feel about Boomers besides Bernie. So, I wonder if that would enough to convince them to sit this presidential election out as well.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Hmm I guess I was under the impression a great deal of Sanders supporters just stayed home on election day last time. I also know how a lot of them feel about Boomers besides Bernie. So, I wonder if that would enough to convince them to sit this presidential election out as well.

If you thought last time was bad they just saw the entire moderate wing of the party have a panic last night to stop him and saw it made very clear that the party has no interest in his platforms. Don’t be surprised to see a lot of millennials disengage for several cycles. This party is going to have real viability issues long term

[Malvolio]

Thank you to username taken, Kusanagi, Kieran Frost, Darkspellmaster and anyone else who liked my previous post urging unity following the Democratic Primaries. No matter who you vote for in your state's primary, you have to like whoever the eventual nominee is better than Trump, and therefore, vote for that nominee in November. Please don't pout and sit it out just so you can have a cute "Don't blame me" bumper sticker in 2021. 'Cause guess what? If you do that, I am blaming you.

[Celgress]

Hmm I guess I was under the impression a great deal of Sanders supporters just stayed home on election day last time. I also know how a lot of them feel about Boomers besides Bernie. So, I wonder if that would enough to convince them to sit this presidential election out as well.

On Social Media and Youtube most of the activists (those with big followings) who support Sanders unlike in 2016 are now "Bernie or Bust". They want their followers/listeners to "let the system crumble" by allowing Trump to be reelected rather than vote for Biden if Bernie gets "cheated" again. They feel four more years of Trump will turn everyone (or a majority) socialist/communist out of disgust, a very dangerous ill-advised gamble.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

They didnt though. It was either Trump/Abstain/3rd party

The vast majority of Sanders supporters voted for Hillary and she still narrowly lost. They need them, regardless. Democrats win via large turnout.

[JCAll]

Say Biden does win the nomination; do you guys see Sanders supporters voting for any Boomer other than Bernie, I mean really?

I think most will. Some will stay home of course, others will vote 3rd party or Trump just to watch the world burn, but most will support Biden even if they don't have high hopes that he can win.
We all may be at eachother's throats, but we still believe in a lot of the same causes. A common foe in Trump and the GOP helps too.

[Kirby101]

The vast majority of Sanders supporters voted for Hillary and she still narrowly lost. They need them, regardless. Democrats win via large turnout.

She did not "narrowly lose". She won by 3 million votes and lost the Presidency in an incredibly sketchy election.

[Malvolio]

On Social Media and Youtube most of the activists (those with big followings) who support Sanders unlike in 2016 are now "Bernie or Bust". They want their followers/listeners to "let the system crumble" by allowing Trump to be reelected rather than vote for Biden if Bernie gets "cheated" again. They feel four more years of Trump will turn everyone (or a majority) socialist/communist out of disgust, a very dangerous ill-advised gamble.

Susan Sarandon advocated that strategy in 2016. But if Bernie doesn't get the nomination this year, wouldn't that prove that strategy to be a failure?

[JackDaw]

On Social Media and Youtube most of the activists (those with big followings) who support Sanders are now "Bernie or Bust". They want their followers/listeners to "let the system crumble" by allowing Trump to be reelected rather than vote for Biden if Bernie gets "cheated" again.

I suppose it depends what is meant by “activist” and “supporter”. I certainly accept that there will be a percentage of Bernie’s support base that will sit on their hands and not support another Democrat if Bernie loses.

But my own guesstimate is that percentage would be under 10 percent.

And if Hilary had lost last time...I suspect rather more than 10 percent of her “moderate” supporters would have failed to have turned out for Bernie.

A lot of comments on what Bernie’s support base is likely to do seems to be based on taking the utterances of his most extreme supporters as representative of his “typical” supporter...not a fair procedure.

[Celgress]

Susan Sarandon advocated that strategy in 2016. But if Bernie doesn't get the nomination this year, wouldn't that prove that strategy to be a failure?

Granted, but Sarandon was a lone voice most "held their noses and voted Clinton" (their own words), unlike this time. Every activist I've followed/watched is advocating this strategy as are their often angry followers/watchers. Their rage against Biden and the "Corrupt Establishment" is already far greater than it ever was against Clinton. I think their rage stems from the fact they know this will likely be Sanders' last chance to be president considering his age.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

She did not "narrowly lose". She won by 3 million votes and lost the Presidency in an incredibly sketchy election.

No she lost. Get over it. It was an electoral college election, she wasn’t campaigning on the popular vote and if she was we can add that to the myriad of reasons she lost. Being in denial and trying ignore the reality of how you win a Presidential election isn’t productive. And if you can’t look at it and address the reasons for the loss, don’t be surprised if in a year and a half you are making the same argument.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Granted, but Sarandon was a lone voice most "held their noses and voted Clinton" (their own words), unlike this time. Every activist I've followed/watched is advocating this strategy as are their often angry followers/watchers. Their rage against Biden and the "Corrupt Establishment" is already far greater than it ever was against Clinton I think their rage stems from the fact they think this will be Sanders' last chance to be president considering his age..

That’s my fear as well. Last cycle there was a sense they favored Clinton and tried to make it easier on her. This cycle a lot of progressives really feel like the party was dead set against stopping the progressives and had a panic as a last ditch effort to stop it.

I’ll still vote Democrat. But the bad blood from 2016 was never dealt with and there are many people who feel like the Democratic Party would rather see Trump win than see a progressive who might upset the establishment. And that goes for Warren too, the moderates went hard at her and that’s why her polls shrank

[Celgress]

I suppose it depends what is meant by “activist” and “supporter”. I certainly accept that there will be a percentage of Bernie’s support base that will sit on their hands and not support another Democrat if Bernie loses.

But my own guesstimate is that percentage would be under 10 percent......

From the data I've collected, I think this is a gross underestimation, but we'll find out who is correct together assuming Sanders loses the nomination.

[Celgress]

That’s my fear as well. Last cycle there was a sense they favored Clinton and tried to make it easier on her. This cycle a lot of progressives really feel like the party was dead set against stopping the progressives and had a panic as a last ditch effort to stop it.

I’ll still vote Democrat. But the bad blood from 2016 was never dealt with and there are many people who feel like the Democratic Party would rather see Trump win than see a progressive who might upset the establishment. And that goes for Warren too, the moderates went hard at her and that’s why her polls shrank

I've heard these points, again and again, both from Progressives I know and those who I (and others) have recently interviewed for my various research projects (I'm a professor of sociology at a university), so I'm not surprised.

[JCAll]

That’s my fear as well. Last cycle there was a sense they favored Clinton and tried to make it easier on her. This cycle a lot of progressives really feel like the party was dead set against stopping the progressives and had a panic as a last ditch effort to stop it.

I’ll still vote Democrat. But the bad blood from 2016 was never dealt with and there are many people who feel like the Democratic Party would rather see Trump win than see a progressive who might upset the establishment. And that goes for Warren too, the moderates went hard at her and that’s why her polls shrank

The bad blood goes both ways. I'm sure you've seen Democrats who've said they think Bernie supporters would rather have Trump if Bernie doesn't get the nomination.
This is why we've been constantly reliving the 2016 primary for 4 years, like we're stuck in the Twilight Zone. No matter what, if Trump wins we'll stay in 2016 for another 4 years.