All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[Wildling]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/04/polit...ask/index.html

We have a new pic for WBE's profile of Gaetz!

I hope he thinks he'll look good enough in a Mad Max spoof scene where he charges Mortal Engines sized migrant caravan vehicles filled with socialist Demonrats operatives armed with Coronavirus syringes, including between their teeth.

[worstblogever]

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No decision has been made yet, but its' not looking good for the Warren Campaign.

And on Twitter, those who aren't bashing her as part of the Anti-Bernie Conspiracy or a traitor to Bernie are begging her to endorse Bernie.

Maybe Bernie shouldn't have claimed she was lying in a debate in front of an audience of millions.

[Tendrin]

Maybe Bernie shouldn't have claimed she was lying in a debate in front of an audience of millions.

But then his followers couldn't have bombarded Liz's twitter followers with snake emojis.

Like I said, I'm sure a lot of the vitriol is aided by eager rat$$#$ing that serves to heighten divisions and helps to make us hate each other, but it wouldn't be successful if the fault lines and self-righteous anger didn't already have ample precedent. It works precisely *because* it's believable.

[Steel Inquisitor]

Two things...

Unless Sanders created the crime bill all by himself, you are wrong.

The idea that everyone else should not be torn down for what they did and did not do while the crime bill was being put together?

That is where I cannot even grasp that someone would think such a thing. A lot of them should have done the right thing, and just stepped aside long ago.

Sanders did vote for it, so he shares responsibility in its success and failures.

Of course the crime bill itself is a distraction since I was discussing what sanders did in his won sate. Do you not care about what happens in the very state Sanders was a governor and senator for? Should we just ignore where he spent his entire political career in? You're not giving that advantage to Biden or any else.

Don't the statistics about the African American prison rates in Vermont concern you?

Don't pay dumb, you know exactly what you're doing.

The guy he is running against went to bat for credit card companies being able to treat working people even worse while his son was getting a check from credit card companies.

If we are going to be serious about actually scrutinizing their records? Let's.

Sanders advocating was head and shoulders above that.

Deflection, we're talking about Sanders record. Not that Sanders himself hasn't got his own problematic issues. Anything but scrutinise Sanders own faults. There's no argument here to speak of.

[numberthirty]

Sanders did vote for it, so he shares responsibility in its success and failures.

Of course the crime bill itself is a distraction since I was discussing what sanders did in his won sate. Do you not care about what happens in the very state Sanders was a governor and senator for? Should we just ignore where he spent his entire political career in? You're not giving that advantage to Biden or any else.

Don't the statistics about the African American prison rates in Vermont concern you?

Don't pay dumb, you know exactly what you're doing.

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While he did vote for it, he also pointed out, in incredibly clear fashion, why is was an incredibly ill-advised approach to the issue at hand. Which, in a development that should surprise right around "No One...", Sanders could not have been more correct about.

Past that, you have to ignore that the crime bill created the issue in the state you are pointing to. Looking past that to try to solely blame a state politician when they made an attempt to not do the stupidest thing possible? It's just dumb. Twice as dumb when it is one of the only politicians that made any attempt at stopping the overall problem before it was created.

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Deflection, we're talking about Sanders record. Not that Sanders himself hasn't got his own problematic issues. Anything but scrutinise Sanders own faults. There's no argument here to speak of.

Again...

All I am seeing is sidestepping actual scrutiny to just go after Sanders.

[numberthirty]

Never mind that any attempt at actual scrutiny would involve being realistic about how Biden's approach to health care would still leave folks uninsured and at the less than tender mercies of "For Profit..." insurance.

But, yeah.

Having internalized that reality, let's talk about how Sanders isn't doing a good enough job advocating for the people.

[TheDarman]

Never mind that any attempt at actual scrutiny would involve being realistic about how Biden's approach to health care would still leave folks uninsured and at the less than tender mercies of "For Profit..." insurance.

But, yeah.

Having internalized that reality, let's talk about how Sanders isn't doing a good enough job advocating for the people.

There are plenty of issues with Bernie’s health care plan even aside from the practicality of trying to get Democrats in vulnerable seats not wanting to vote for it and it, thusly, not even being politically viable. Heck, even if it was passed, the Supreme Court sears that we allowed Trump to fill essentially have ensured that any such program would get struck down. At the very least, if Clinton had been elected, we’d have two more justices like the Obama ones, both of which were in the minority on the case that struck down the Voting Rights Act, the minority on Citizens United, and were two important votes to legalize gay marriage nationwide. But, sure, we can keep the narrative going that nothing positive ever comes from “establishment” Democrats. Even Republicans realized the asset Trump could be in consolidating power in the Judicial Branch, but I digress.

Other problems include what happens if Republicans get in charge of the HHS and restrict our public plans to not include contraceptives and the like? What happens to our economy when we cut out the 5% of our nation’s GDP madd by inefficient parts of the health care industry? These are important questions to ask about these programs that I don’t think have been adequately addressed by Sanders or his camp. And it isn’t like Biden or others are saying, “Let’s not do anything to make this system better or more inclusive or more affordable.” They have also put forth policies with the same goal of expanding health care and bringing down costs.

In other news, here’s a wonderful Twitter thread kind of explaining how wrongheaded it is to be blaming the establishment for Biden’s great performance and, vice versa, Sanders’ underperformance. This was always going to come down to people and I think this thread is illuminating about who we talk about generally when some people denigrate black voters for not hitching their wagon to Sanders.

https://twitter.com/michaelharriot/s...431089153?s=21

[numberthirty]

There are plenty of issues with Bernie’s health care plan even aside from the practicality of trying to get Democrats in vulnerable seats not wanting to vote for it and it, thusly, not even being politically viable. Heck, even if it was passed, the Supreme Court sears that we allowed Trump to fill essentially have ensured that any such program would get struck down. At the very least, if Clinton had been elected, we’d have two more justices like the Obama ones, both of which were in the minority on the case that struck down the Voting Rights Act, the minority on Citizens United, and were two important votes to legalize gay marriage nationwide. But, sure, we can keep the narrative going that nothing positive ever comes from “establishment” Democrats. Even Republicans realized the asset Trump could be in consolidating power in the Judicial Branch, but I digress.

Other problems include what happens if Republicans get in charge of the HHS and restrict our public plans to not include contraceptives and the like? What happens to our economy when we cut out the 5% of our nation’s GDP madd by inefficient parts of the health care industry? These are important questions to ask about these programs that I don’t think have been adequately addressed by Sanders or his camp. And it isn’t like Biden or others are saying, “Let’s not do anything to make this system better or more inclusive or more affordable.” They have also put forth policies with the same goal of expanding health care and bringing down costs.



In other news, here’s a wonderful Twitter thread kind of explaining how wrongheaded it is to be blaming the establishment for Biden’s great performance and, vice versa, Sanders’ underperformance. This was always going to come down to people and I think this thread is illuminating about who we talk about generally when some people denigrate black voters for not hitching their wagon to Sanders.

https://twitter.com/michaelharriot/s...431089153?s=21

On what's in blue...

Look, you've always seemed ok to me. That said, don't take this like some kind of a personal shot. If you're not for Medicare For All based on those doubts, your call. At the same time, the reality is that essentially translates to "I Can Learn Live With Folks Getting Screwed Over By For Profit Insurance Based On X/Y/Z/..."

While it would put us on different pages, we'd at least have somewhere to start. To me, none of those things outweighs getting people completely out from under the thumb of an industry that can only make a profit if it hurts the people under it's thumb.

For what is in green...

Honestly(to me), it's just the same old song and dance routine. Based on what they have done in the past(even more so with Biden based on that he was personally in on screwing unions over on card check...), I don't buy it one bit.

Could anyone turn over a new leaf, and start actually going to bat for the people? Sure, I guess that wilder things have happened.

As it stands, you've got people who have a record of folding in a crunch talking about that they will be the ones that get for profit insurance to knuckle under.

There's just no reason that I can see to buy into it.

[numberthirty]

From the "Illinois..." corner -

A pair of CPD officers who opened fire on a guy in public had their police powers pulled by the CPD. While it's a small step, it's a step in the right direction.

[SquirrelMan]

A confused Joe Biden tells the crowd he wants to increase premiums and make sure that healthcare is "not quality, but only affordable".

If it's ok to make fun of Biden's stutter, can we also make fun of Sander's herpes?

[worstblogever]

But then his followers couldn't have bombarded Liz's twitter followers with snake emojis.

Like I said, I'm sure a lot of the vitriol is aided by eager rat$$#$ing that serves to heighten divisions and helps to make us hate each other, but it wouldn't be successful if the fault lines and self-righteous anger didn't already have ample precedent. It works precisely *because* it's believable.

Going with my final analysis that my real problem with Bernie isn't as much him as it is his online fan club. He has his moments of discrediting some of the best the left has to offer still in a race for quixotic hopes... but those who support him are beyond the pale. Seeing them spread the worst lies about every other Democrat in the field and yet, and YET fail to ever say much about Trump in comparison...

It's almost like they're Russian bots or just doing the work of Russian bots for them, or something.

[worstblogever]

If it's ok to make fun of Biden's stutter, can we also make fun of Sander's herpes?

[SquirrelMan]

It would be a TERRIBLE move!

I think the hard part about picking a Veep is that you want somebody with name recognition from a swing state, who's maybe won an election there recently... but you also don't want to lose a senator or governor in that state in the special election that follows.

[jetengine]

Going with my final analysis that my real problem with Bernie isn't as much him as it is his online fan club. He has his moments of discrediting some of the best the left has to offer still in a race for quixotic hopes... but those who support him are beyond the pale. Seeing them spread the worst lies about every other Democrat in the field and yet, and YET fail to ever say much about Trump in comparison...

It's almost like they're Russian bots or just doing the work of Russian bots for them, or something.

I'm pretty much the same. Whilst he has his **** ups like most politicians (and most of them are because he's too damn old like his finger wagging towards women and "racial justice is economic justice" stuff) he's not particularly terrible.

His club on the otherhand have some vocal lunatics

[worstblogever]

His club on the otherhand have some vocal lunatics

Berners/Bernie Bros are to Bernie what Fundamentalists are to Jesus.