All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[aja_christopher]

Bloomberg must be on the level, but anyone left of "Center Right..." has to be working to bring "Business As Usual..." Democrats down...

Thirty has been trying to sabotage Democrats for years now despite the repeated failure of all his chosen candidates and (alleged) causes.

He cares so much about progressive causes that he didn't even "vote against" a racist president and Republicans taking the Supreme Court.

This is why he conveniently ignores when moderates win midterms or general elections by historic margins -- he'd rather Democrats lose.

Even when moderates promote and pass progressive legislation he ignores it -- that's proof that he doesn't care about real progress.

[numberthirty]

Thirty has been trying to sabotage Democrats for years now despite the repeated failure of all his chosen candidates and (alleged) causes.

He cares so much about progressive causes that he didn't even "vote against" a racist president and Republicans taking the Supreme Court.

When Omar and AOC are out of Congress, I suppose you might have something like a point.

[aja_christopher]

There is also a bad habit amongst them of acting as if dreams and visions are actual legislation and progress -- whether it's AOC or Sanders.

The vision didn't happen and young voters didn't show up -- it's time to accept that the progressive agenda does not excite American voters.

It's likewise time to stop disregarding the will of black Democratic voters just because you want to blame the "establishment" for Sanders' failures.

[Steel Inquisitor]

I think that there is a case to start putting a younger generation of future holders of leadership positions into place.

That's not up to their constituents, that's up to them convincing politicians in congress to vote for them.

[Gray Lensman]

There is also a bad habit amongst them of acting as if dreams and visions are actual legislation and progress -- whether it's AOC or Sanders.

The vision didn't happen and young voters didn't show up -- it's time to accept that the progressive agenda does not excite American voters.

It's likewise time to stop disregarding the will of black Democratic voters just because you want to blame the "establishment" for Sanders' failures.

Progressives can win in solid blue districts - the issue is when they think they are the best people to run in those purple areas which prefer moderates. Establishing big ideas isn't wrong, IMO, it's just when one decides on an "All or None" approach without regards to who the other side is - because under Trump we have learned that "None" is beginning to look like "Nothing Left" after Trump's new swamp takes what we already have.

[numberthirty]

There is also a bad habit amongst them of acting as if dreams and visions are actual legislation and progress -- whether it's AOC or Sanders.

The vision didn't happen and young voters didn't show up -- it's time to accept that the progressive agenda does not excite American voters.

It's likewise time to stop disregarding the will of black Democratic voters just because you want to blame the "establishment" for Sanders' failures.

If we were to actually entertain a thought this foolish...

- Based on that it did not excite American voters, it would have been time to just accept slavery and forget any future attempts to end it.
- Based on that it did not excite American voters, it would have been time to just accept that women didn't really need the right to vote.
- Based on that it did not excite American voter, it would have been time to just accept that African-Americans should live in a segregated American and without the right to vote.

[aja_christopher]

If we were to actually entertain a thought this foolish...

- Based on that it did not excite American voters, it would have been time to just accept slavery and forget any future attempts to end it.
- Based on that it did not excite American voters, it would have been time to just accept that women didn't really need the right to vote.
- Based on that it did not excite American voter, it would have been time to just accept that African-Americans should live in a segregated American and without the right to vote.

Because "moderate" Obama would accept all of those things while only "progressives" would fight against them.

You're dishonest 30, and there's no point in discussing these issues with you.

You wouldn't even vote to back up what you say on these boards -- you've literally spent years here arguing but wouldn't spend an hour to vote.

Fair weather friends who would rather argue and try to force you to do things their way than fight for the common good.

[aja_christopher]

"With two septuagenarian candidates as the front runners for the Democratic presidential nomination, their health — both physically and mentally — has become somewhat of an issue in the campaign.

However, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said that he would not weaponize questions about former Vice President Joe Biden’s mental health during the campaign.

During a Fox News town hall, Sanders was played a clip of former presidential hopefuls and commentators questioning Biden’s mental health. He said he wasn’t going to “go at the level” as the two battle it out for the nomination.

“I’m not going to go at that level in attacking him,” Sanders said, “That’s for people to decide.”

“All I can say is that Joe and I have very significant political differences. I’m not going to be making, you know, personal attacks on Joe. That’s not what I do,” he added."

https://ijr.com/sanders-vows-not-att...mental-acuity/

[Steel Inquisitor]

Because "moderate" Obama would accept all of those things while only "progressives" would fight against them.

You're dishonest 30, and there's no point in discussing these issues with you.

You wouldn't even vote to back up what you say on these boards -- you've literally spent years here arguing but wouldn't spend an hour to vote.

Fair weather friends who would rather argue and try to force you to do things their way than fight for the common good.

He votes, just not for Democrats.

What's really strange is why the numerous leftists here, not all of them thankfully, let him go unchallenged while the "centrists" are the ones who are the one shutting him down.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

He votes, just not for Democrats.

What's really strange is why the numerous leftists here, not all of them thankfully, let him go unchallenged while the "centrists" are the ones who are the one shutting him down.

This just me talking, but it's not worth wasting my time arguing with someone as closed-minded and disingenuous as #30. In a way, he's rather tame compared to some of the more rabid right wingers/conservative trolls who've raised hell in this forum in the past, only to get themselves banned for one reason or another.

[Kirby101]

I would say that Americans will vote for progressive agenda. But it matters how it is sold to them. If we let the Right characterize it as Socialism (i.e. Comunism) it will fail. Burt if proposed as expanding things they want, The New Deal, Social Security, Medicare, employment benefits, it can win. Americans now approve of Gay marriage by 63%.
For instance, Medicare for all. If we expanded Medicare to allow anyone over 55 to buy in, and made sure through Medicade that everyone under 26 were covered, it would open the door to full coverage. It would also have an easier time getting passed.

[JCAll]

As a guy outside looking in....

If you want Bernie as the nominee, vote for him. If he loses then vote for Biden. Because Bidens sure as hell more progressive then Trump, and if you dont vote your just giving it to him, which is gonna harm more people. And at the end of the day hurting more people isnt exactly progressive now is it ?

They really see no difference between Biden and Trump. They see no difference between Obama or Hillary or Warren and Trump. It's just Bernie sailing an ocean of Trumps.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

I would say that Americans will vote for progressive agenda. But it matters how it is sold to them. If we let the Right characterize it as Socialism (i.e. Comunism) it will fail. Burt if proposed as expanding things they want, The New Deal, Social Security, Medicare, employment benefits, it can win. Americans now approve of Gay marriage by 63%.
For instance, Medicare for all. If we expanded Medicare to allow anyone over 55 to buy in, and made sure through Medicade that everyone under 26 were covered, it would open the door to full coverage. It would also have an easier time getting passed.

Brilliantly put! And that brings up the inevitable question of if Sanders can REALLY sell that sort of agenda (while fighting the GOP and their rhetoric) to the American people. I'd be more than willing to give Sanders an honest chance, but he'll have to sell me, and the public on every last aspect of progressive policies, and do so in a way that is both convincing, and realistic in it's goals, given the current political climate. No pie in the sky bullshit, give me down to earth solutions to our problems. That's all I ask.

[4saken1]

When Omar and AOC are out of Congress, I suppose you might have something like a point.

Because the fact that Progressives can win in districts where Democrats routinely win Elections by 50+ points is clearly an indication that they can also win on a national level!

[4saken1]

I'm hoping that Biden will choose a younger Progressive running mate if he becomes the nominee. As many of the fringe left have already accepted that Biden has one foot in the nursing home, the prospect of a Progressive being a heartbeat away from the Presidency might convince some of them to vote for him.