All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[trooper_thorn]

Anyone dismissing the economy and concerns over the effect these lock downs are having on it is whistling past the graveyard.

The economy isn't just massive corporations or banks, hell they'll be the ones most able to weather this. No, it also includes all of those small independent businesses that people here are always pretending to support. It includes restaurants, bars, construction companies, insurance companies, sales people, landlords, farmers, etc. These people are hurting and no federal assistance is going to allow them to survive for more than a few weeks without reopening.

Hell, it's not only just about general economic activity but about other things like simply being able to pay your mortgage/rent/loans.

The longer this goes on the greater the pressure will build and the more likely it will be that states begin lifting their restrictions and anybody refusing to address this is a moron.

If there's not a massive nationwide spike in the number of sick/dead you're going to see this start to occur by roughly Easter.

[Tami]

2020-03-24 (1) Walter Shaub on Twitter The Constitution prohibits him holding both positions.jpg

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The Constitution prohibits him holding both positions. Article 1, Sec. 6, to be specific. Upon his appointment to the White House position, he forfeited his position as a member of Congress.

[JackDaw]

Anyone dismissing the economy and concerns over the effect these lock downs are having on it is whistling past the graveyard.

The economy isn't just massive corporations or banks, hell they'll be the ones most able to weather this. No, it also includes all of those small independent businesses that people here are always pretending to support. It includes restaurants, bars, construction companies, insurance companies, sales people, landlords, farmers, etc. These people are hurting and no federal assistance is going to allow them to survive for more than a few weeks without reopening.

Hell, it's not only just about general economic activity but about other things like simply being able to pay your mortgage/rent/loans.

The longer this goes on the greater the pressure will build and the more likely it will be that states begin lifting their restrictions and anybody refusing to address this is a moron.

If there's not a massive nationwide spike in the number of sick/dead you're going to see this start to occur by roughly Easter.

And those massive corporations all have people depending on them for jobs...and it’s been a long, long time since any job in them has been a “job for life”

[Malvolio]

I received an e-mail today from the Bernie Sanders campaign today, urging me to make a contribution to Bernie's new charity. The odd thing about the e-mail is that they changed the logo. It no longer reads, "Bernie 2020." It now simply read, "Bernie." Anyone think that means he's considering dropping out of the Democratic Primary?

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Anyone dismissing the economy and concerns over the effect these lock downs are having on it is whistling past the graveyard.

The economy isn't just massive corporations or banks, hell they'll be the ones most able to weather this. No, it also includes all of those small independent businesses that people here are always pretending to support. It includes restaurants, bars, construction companies, insurance companies, sales people, landlords, farmers, etc. These people are hurting and no federal assistance is going to allow them to survive for more than a few weeks without reopening.

Hell, it's not only just about general economic activity but about other things like simply being able to pay your mortgage/rent/loans.

The longer this goes on the greater the pressure will build and the more likely it will be that states begin lifting their restrictions and anybody refusing to address this is a moron.

If there's not a massive nationwide spike in the number of sick/dead you're going to see this start to occur by roughly Easter.

Nobody is ignoring the situation with economy, but if the all clear is signaled too soon before coronavirus has fully run it's course, then there WILL BE that massive nationwide spike of sick and dead. What happens then? The shutdown goes right back into effect and things just get worse. Everyone knows the score, but if this thing isn't contained, then businesses small and large will suffer because of more infections and more fatalities. As I've said in a previous post, COVID-19 isn't operating under anybody's schedule, nobody knows when it'll exhaust itself and go away, or if it'll come back. Sure, it's a hell of a risk to keep the shutdown going, but I'd rather that risk be taken than have lives lost.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Anyone dismissing the economy and concerns over the effect these lock downs are having on it is whistling past the graveyard.

The economy isn't just massive corporations or banks, hell they'll be the ones most able to weather this. No, it also includes all of those small independent businesses that people here are always pretending to support. It includes restaurants, bars, construction companies, insurance companies, sales people, landlords, farmers, etc. These people are hurting and no federal assistance is going to allow them to survive for more than a few weeks without reopening.

Hell, it's not only just about general economic activity but about other things like simply being able to pay your mortgage/rent/loans.

The longer this goes on the greater the pressure will build and the more likely it will be that states begin lifting their restrictions and anybody refusing to address this is a moron.

If there's not a massive nationwide spike in the number of sick/dead you're going to see this start to occur by roughly Easter.

You can either deal with the coronavirus now or you can wait under the guise of “helping the economy”

The key differences are

-most governors will still have a quarantine in place which will still be a net negative on the economy

-the rest of the world isn’t going to say “well America’s batshit so we all will be and engage in commerce again”

-those other countries will likely place more restrictions on travel and shipping with us

-employers and employees still won’t feel confidant having business as usual and people are still going to be hesitant to go to a mall

-the healthcare system will be 100% overwhelmed, things will have to stop again, the economy will crash because we need to take more dire measures because we dig ourselves into a hole and we have less options.

You can either deal with a short term hit now or you can get minimal gains by kicking the can, but in the end it will result in more economic and healthcare devastation.

The rest of the world is in agreement on how to deal with this.

[Tazirai]

I received an e-mail today from the Bernie Sanders campaign today, urging me to make a contribution to Bernie's new charity. The odd thing about the e-mail is that they changed the logo. It no longer reads, "Bernie 2020." It now simply read, "Bernie." Anyone think that means he's considering dropping out of the Democratic Primary?

I know it would please some of you, but no. He's trying to do the tight thing and help people. I still get Bernie 2020 campaign emails since certain I've worked for them. But this is about doing somethung Joe Biden and others aren't doing. Raising money to help people.

Bernie can run a campaign and a charity to help, much to the chagrin of a couple posters. He needs to stay in and keep pulling Biden. Who has had the worst responses ever to this crisis. But demands unity lol. ��

[Tazirai]

Also, Dan Patrick wants Grandpa to die. Because Republicans care more about Wall Street than people.

[XPac]

I received an e-mail today from the Bernie Sanders campaign today, urging me to make a contribution to Bernie's new charity. The odd thing about the e-mail is that they changed the logo. It no longer reads, "Bernie 2020." It now simply read, "Bernie." Anyone think that means he's considering dropping out of the Democratic Primary?

Hard to say.

He's not delusional, so he pretty much KNOWS he's going to lose.

He can either drop out and prioritize party unity, or stay as long as possible so he can have the biggest spotlight possible to get his progressive message across at a time he feels it's most important to do so. It's weighing beating Trump in November vs supporting important policy now. And I'm honestly not sure if you're in Bernie's shoes there's a 100% right or wrong answer there.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Hard to say.

He's not delusional, so he pretty much KNOWS he's going to lose.

He can either drop out and prioritize party unity, or stay as long as possible so he can have the biggest spotlight possible to get his progressive message across at a time he feels it's most important to do so. It's weighing beating Trump in November vs supporting important policy now. And I'm honestly not sure if you're in Bernie's shoes there's a 100% right or wrong answer there.

There’s also the question of whether a light primary actually makes you more likely to win. Kerry and Romney basically coasted and lost. Clinton has an easier primary run than Trump who faced a deeper field and more vicious attacks. Obama also had Hillary around until the end and got nasty.

[XPac]

And those massive corporations all have people depending on them for jobs...and it’s been a long, long time since any job in them has been a “job for life”

And I do think that's a factor people sometimes will overlook when they criticize government for bailing out business.

Business big and small equal jobs. And a job both in the long and short term will mean more to the ordinary person than whatever handout the government is squabling over giving us. In the grand scheme of things, the best way to help people financially is probably to ensure they still have a job... and that means helping business.

"Business" shouldn't be this dirty word people sometimes make it out to be. Most of us get our paychecks from a business.

[Gray Lensman]

And I do think that's a factor people sometimes will overlook when they criticize government for bailing out business.

Business big and small equal jobs. And a job both in the long and short term will mean more to the ordinary person than whatever handout the government is squabling over giving us. In the grand scheme of things, the best way to help people financially is probably to ensure they still have a job... and that means helping business.

"Business" shouldn't be this dirty word people sometimes make it out to be. Most of us get our paychecks from a business.

Just eneure any business bailout will include language ensuring that the employees get money. Otherwise I see a few of the corporations just pocketing everything.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

And I do think that's a factor people sometimes will overlook when they criticize government for bailing out business.

Business big and small equal jobs. And a job both in the long and short term will mean more to the ordinary person than whatever handout the government is squabling over giving us. In the grand scheme of things, the best way to help people financially is probably to ensure they still have a job... and that means helping business.

"Business" shouldn't be this dirty word people sometimes make it out to be. Most of us get our paychecks from a business.

It should be if it’s the GOP trickle down tactic of “give businesses the most under the guise of helping people).

Yes for 3 months the gov can cut families a 2k check, have unemployment and tax relief and free emergency healthcare until the economy is back and running and businesses can justify taking back employees.

That should be a bigger priority than giving businesses an upfront bailout and hoping they play nice the rest of the way

[PaulBullion]

Death cult leader and pool boy connoisseur Jerry Falwell Jr is making Liberty University open for business, ordering staff to come to work and inviting 5000 potential Typhoid Mary students back.

There we go. Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

[shooshoomanjoe]

WHO warns US may become epicenter of COVID-19. The experts are saying things will get worse, the US government is giving a timetable of 18 month pandemic at its worst, and trump wants everyone out to spread the virus.