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    Default Variety Piece: Does Kevin Feige’s Marvel Promotion Mean Ike Perlmutter’s Endgame

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    Interesting tidbits/excerpts:

    "None were more surprised by the move than the Marvel executives who learned of the change through trade-press reports that heralded it."

    (They didn't tell Marvel about a major managerial shift. LOL.)

    "Feige’s promotion to Marvel Entertainment chief creative officer gives the executive total creative power, including over the narratives of the comics..."

    (This part has me completely worried, as, while I do enjoy the MCU, I have questioned some of the creative choices used, and would rather the comics remain a separate universe).

    "Comic books create relatively little revenue for Marvel. But they represent an important point of contact with core fans and serve as creative R&D for TV and film. It’s standard in the contracts of writers working with Marvel that they be compensated should any character they create be used on screen."

    (Nice to know that creators are compensated by contract. We've come a long way from Jack Kirby and Joe Simon having to fight for their right to be acknowledged as Cap's creators in the court of law... which actually made it to the Supreme Court in Joe Simon's case).

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    I definitely wouldn't bat an eye at Perlmutter getting ousted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    I definitely wouldn't bat an eye at Perlmutter getting ousted.
    I don't think there's a single person that would.

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    ... as long as Mr. Perlmutter is a legal shareholder, he can't just be ousted without financial compensation for his shares. I doubt that the top Disney bosses want to make those kind of waves. And there may very well be Perlmutter allies on the broader board of directors.

    We'll see what happens.

    sidebar: it would have been great if George Lucas included a clause in his LucasFilm sale that he would become a board member. Whatever the issues people have with Lucas, I doubt if they're that deep compared to Perlmutter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    I definitely wouldn't bat an eye at Perlmutter getting ousted.
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    I will throw a huge party if Ike finally gets the boot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mreddie View Post
    Feige will likely leave the books be since it's a farm for ideas to adapt later on.

    That being said, Ike is likely gone by 2021-22. He has almost no power left sans the games and some books outside comics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hypestyle View Post
    ... as long as Mr. Perlmutter is a legal shareholder, he can't just be ousted without financial compensation for his shares. I doubt that the top Disney bosses want to make those kind of waves. And there may very well be Perlmutter allies on the broader board of directors.

    We'll see what happens.
    Given the Veteran's Administration interference, he may be in jail or spending all his money for lawyers in the next couple of years, and too busy to interfere with Marvel.
    Namor the Sub-Mariner, Marvel's oldest character, will have been published for 85 years in 2024. So where's my GOOD Namor anniversary ongoing, Marvel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypestyle View Post
    Whatever the issues people have with Lucas, I doubt if they're that deep compared to Perlmutter.
    Remember that Rupert Murdoch is also a big shareholder at Disney/Marvel after the purchase and he does have some pull there too...

    Perlmutter's nothing to compared to Rupert Murdoch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypestyle View Post

    sidebar: it would have been great if George Lucas included a clause in his LucasFilm sale that he would become a board member. Whatever the issues people have with Lucas, I doubt if they're that deep compared to Perlmutter.
    I bet Lucas could have done that, but I doubt he would have wanted to.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reviresco View Post
    I'm not unhappy to hear this news. It may not have been all his doing, cause I know he had restrictions imposed on him, but the TV side of Marvel has been less than impressive. Granted, I haven't seen the Netflix stuff.
    If you ask me, the Netflix shows are a little overrated. Except maybe the first season of Jessica Jones. The first seasons of Luke Cage, Punisher and Daredevil are also good, but I don't think they're as good as they get hyped up as. The second season of Daredevil was not good – if they had cut out all the Elektra/Hand stuff, maybe it would have been, the Punisher stuff was pretty good. Defenders wasn't good. LC and JJ's second seasons weren't bad, but weren't as good as the first either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H-E-D View Post
    I bet Lucas could have done that, but I doubt he would have wanted to.



    If you ask me, the Netflix shows are a little overrated. Except maybe the first season of Jessica Jones. The first seasons of Luke Cage, Punisher and Daredevil are also good, but I don't think they're as good as they get hyped up as. The second season of Daredevil was not good – if they had cut out all the Elektra/Hand stuff, maybe it would have been, the Punisher stuff was pretty good. Defenders wasn't good. LC and JJ's second seasons weren't bad, but weren't as good as the first either.
    I'd say the best Netflix stuff really was Jessica Jones season 1, and Daredevil season 1 and 3. The other stuff was either just fine or mediocre.

    And there was Iron Fist, which was just a mess.

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    I'm glad creators will be getting their due but i fear this just spells out more of what comic fans have been dealing with in the last years: More and more focus on getting storylines and characters into the mcu and changing things to fit the mcu rather than a focus on the characters themselves.

    I'm glad perlmutter has less and less control, can't wait till he is gone, but I don't think Feige is going to sit idly by, Marvel/Disney wants to milk the MCU cash cow for as long as they can. While I enjoy a good superhero movie, i really hope they dont put anymore mcu in the comics.
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    Since Feige often borrows things from recent comics - the Tom King Vision series, Ms. Marvel, Sam becoming the new Captain America after Steve gets too old, the Black Order, etc. - I hope it will turn out that he understands the importance of letting the comics try new things. They're an inexpensive research & development factory and even though the comics creators get paid when their characters are used in movies, they're still probably a lot cheaper than hiring Hollywood screenwriters to create the new characters, plus if the comics do something first then it's been sort of market-tested, though in a very small market.

    So hopefully instead of demanding that the comics change to fit the movies, as has been happening since the first X-Men movie came out, he'll be more hands-off. I said "hopefully," and anyway Feige is not going to have time to run the comics division in any kind of hands-on way.

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    I will throw a huge party if Ike finally gets the boot.
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    Feige will likely leave the books be since it's a farm for ideas to adapt later on.

    That being said, Ike is likely gone by 2021-22. He has almost no power left sans the games and some books outside comics.

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    Ike is fenced in at Marvel. He is there but not gone.

    I think Marvel are worried that if Perlmutter is removed he’ll go postal like Dafoe’s Osborn, strap a board on a drone and glide around dropping pumpkin bombs while screaming “Out am I?”

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    Quote Originally Posted by mreddie View Post
    Feige will likely leave the books be since it's a farm for ideas to adapt later on.

    That being said, Ike is likely gone by 2021-22. He has almost no power left sans the games and some books outside comics.
    Does he really have power over games? It’s hard to imagine even before with Spider-Man PS4 and MUA3, and Feige is above him everywhere. Loeb is gone, hopefully Ike follows soon.

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