DC couple you would be okay permanently breaking up

[Vakanai]

It's outside media, mostly. The Nu52 changed Dick/Kory from a relationship to a fling.

Aw boo, I like him better with Kory!

[Sacred Knight]

I'd argue it wasn't that the marriage itself that is iconic, but the Superman x Lois relationship that is iconic. Many people weren't crazy about Supes x Wondie and wanted him to be back with Lois, but that didn't necesarily mean bringing the marriage back. They could have just gone back to how they were before the marriage.

ITA. That's what counts. Not a marriage, not even necessarily that they're actively, monogamously dating. Its just that they have a strong bond that's important above all. You have that, and you're set to go from there. That, and only that, is what the New 52 did wrong for instance. Not that they weren't happily married, not that they dated other people, but that for too long they didn't develop an independent connection of their own.

[Lee]

Clark and Lois. Marriage has been hurting them for almost 20 years now. Their dynamic is just so boring as it is, compared to how it used to be and what made it popular in the first place. The kid didn't help, if anything he made it worse. Problem is I don't think breaking them up in-story is a good idea. Divorce wouldn't work. Not because there's anything shameful about divorce, sometimes its necessary. But it is at the same time its nearly always a permanent "This is over". I don't want that either, because the motivation is putting the spark back. Really erasure of it ever happening is the only way to do it. It never should have been brought back.

Agreed. I don't think Lois should ever have learned Superman's secret identity, it takes a lot of the magic and conflict away. But there's not much that can be done about it now. As you say, only a hard reboot could fix it, and now isn't the right time for anything like that. Hopefully DC will still have room for "untold tales" with the traditional Lois/Clark dynamic.

[Jackalope89]

None, really. Just wish that someone else could do Bat/Cat instead of King.

Clark and Lois I'm fine with. Not necessarily the way Bendis is portraying it, but it works.

To go kind of left field, end the Ric/whoever that rando is, bring back Dick, and make Mar'i Grayson a thing! Which means an actual relationship with Star.

[Pohzee]

If DC only plans to give us Wally moping about Linda all the time, I'd be find with the two moving on

[Dr. Skeleton]

Wonder Woman and Steve Trevor.

[Koriand'r]

Aw boo, I like him better with Kory!

Me too! Babs and Dick just seems wrong. That said I like ALL DC's iconic couples and want them to stay together.

[Restingvoice]

See the problem here is there are more people that haven't even started or managed to stay as a couple. The ones who have become a couple I have no problem.

[thanatoskun]

Clark and Lois

[SJNeal]

Bat...Cat...

Thank You!!!

[Green Goblin of Sector 2814]

Iconic doesn't always mean good. Hell their classic dynamic is still more iconic than the marriage anyway. And no, DC didn't have to bring back the marriage. They needed it to bring in the kid, it wasn't something the lore needed back on its own merits. You can easily do it.

One of the biggest complaints that people had about the New 52 in the first place was the erasure of Lois and Clark's marriage. Well, of all of DC's iconic marriages, really, but there was particular emphasis on the Lois/Clark marriage. Because, like it or not, in the 20+ years that they've been married, Lois and Clark have become sort of the figurehead for couples in the DC Universe. They're one of the most famous couples in fiction, after all.

Also, the whole love-triangle dynamic was what was iconic...30-40 years ago when the Donner films were coming out. Nowadays, its much more of a classic set up that Lois and Clark are not only together, but that she's keyed into the fact that he's Superman after a certain point. Smallville had that dynamic. The Lois and Clark show from the 90s had it. The animated DC movies have it, with a major plot point of Death of Superman being Clark coming clean to Lois about his double life and them moving forward with their relationship. Hell, the DCEU movies had Lois know that Clark was Superman from the very beginning.

The development of Lois from unwitting and gullible love interest without a clue to fully-trusted romantic partner and ally in Superman's adventures is one of the few cases of genuine development in comic books. Let's not mess with it.

Didn't mean they did right by Lois after the fact, but that's a separate issue. That was a case of some writers being incapable of knowing what to do with her without her being Mrs. Clark Kent. Which to me is actually another indictment of the marriage and the complacency its caused toward Lois in particular, as opposed to being evidence that its necessary. It wouldn't severely damage anything. As long as they're in each other's hemisphere, that's all that matters. That's all that's ever mattered. You don't need the marriage for the connection.

I find it hard to believe that anyone could say that DC hasn't been treating Lois well when Rucka is giving us probably one of the best Lois Lane stories ever told. And, yes, their marriage actually does play a key part in it. After all, one of the main subplot points deals in the media's speculation over her relationship with Superman and supposed "infidelity."

That they need to be married for the lore to work is a fallacy that's consistently debunked in many other comics and other media today. Some outside stories use it, others don't. With the specific idea of marriage never being a contributing factor to any greater degree of success.

They don't need to be married. Just as with every couple, they're their own independent people. However, them being married is an aspect of the lore that people love and was widely publicized when they did it. As such, its become something that I don't think many would want messed with.

I'd argue it wasn't that the marriage itself that is iconic, but the Superman x Lois relationship that is iconic. Many people weren't crazy about Supes x Wondie and wanted him to be back with Lois, but that didn't necesarily mean bringing the marriage back. They could have just gone back to how they were before the marriage.

People didn't like him with Wonder Woman largely because that relationship came at the expense of erasing his marriage to Lois. And, as I've said before, going back to the way it was before the marriage is just erasing character development that a lot of Superman fans really love. In fact, erasing character development was the key complaint lobbed at the New 52. Most fans weren't on board for the reboot, turns out. Gee, I wonder who saw that coming...

[LordAllMIghty]

Lois and Clark
Batman and Catwoman

Give me something new.

[Vakanai]

One of the biggest complaints that people had about the New 52 in the first place was the erasure of Lois and Clark's marriage. Well, of all of DC's iconic marriages, really, but there was particular emphasis on the Lois/Clark marriage. Because, like it or not, in the 20+ years that they've been married, Lois and Clark have become sort of the figurehead for couples in the DC Universe. They're one of the most famous couples in fiction, after all.

Also, the whole love-triangle dynamic was what was iconic...30-40 years ago when the Donner films were coming out. Nowadays, its much more of a classic set up that Lois and Clark are not only together, but that she's keyed into the fact that he's Superman after a certain point. Smallville had that dynamic. The Lois and Clark show from the 90s had it. The animated DC movies have it, with a major plot point of Death of Superman being Clark coming clean to Lois about his double life and them moving forward with their relationship. Hell, the DCEU movies had Lois know that Clark was Superman from the very beginning.

The development of Lois from unwitting and gullible love interest without a clue to fully-trusted romantic partner and ally in Superman's adventures is one of the few cases of genuine development in comic books. Let's not mess with it.



I find it hard to believe that anyone could say that DC hasn't been treating Lois well when Rucka is giving us probably one of the best Lois Lane stories ever told. And, yes, their marriage actually does play a key part in it. After all, one of the main subplot points deals in the media's speculation over her relationship with Superman and supposed "infidelity."



They don't need to be married. Just as with every couple, they're their own independent people. However, them being married is an aspect of the lore that people love and was widely publicized when they did it. As such, its become something that I don't think many would want messed with.



People didn't like him with Wonder Woman largely because that relationship came at the expense of erasing his marriage to Lois. And, as I've said before, going back to the way it was before the marriage is just erasing character development that a lot of Superman fans really love. In fact, erasing character development was the key complaint lobbed at the New 52. Most fans weren't on board for the reboot, turns out. Gee, I wonder who saw that coming...

I see that you are very, very, very deeply invested in their relationship being a marriage vs anything else, which is your right. But I disagree, and think that like most things, fans are simply divided on this issue and we're on opposite sides.

[Sacred Knight]

Its another instance of it being said it was something people hated about a change to Superman, but it barely registered in any practical application of evidence. Outside of the concepts fans complaining and that will always happen . It of course has fans so they'd voice their displeasure, just like with any other idea. And I respect that, I do the same thing with things I don't like. I hate this 5G stuff upcoming but if it doesn't ruin the line, Beyond my distaste I won't be able to say the changes have any proof of rejection. But again its not at all something only the New 52 utilized. Lots of other media adaptations since the marriage first became a thing in the comics all the way up to today have worked without the marriage, just a strong connection, and its quite fine. Heck, the DCAU Death of Superman film, which was a hit, didn't even have the two engaged in this incarnation, much less married. But it hasn't occurred yet and it hasn't been a source of applied angst. Can even go as far back as to the old TAS, where they were not married or engaged. That worked out okay.

[WTNew]

Dan Didio and Jim Lee.