So...are the mutants of Krakoa taking mutant children from their families?

[LordUltimus]

Well, there are custody battles, if X-Men/Fantastic Four is any indication.

[powerpax]

The interview about it also indicates the X-Men are not out to abduct Franklin.

[Glio]

The mutants have no interest in kidnapping Franklin because they could simply clone him if they were so desperate to have his powerset on his side.

They are clearly going to try to convince Sue and Reed that Krakoa is the best for Franklin.

[Zelena]

Predicting that Krakoa will one day fall isn't really controversial or prophetic. The same way Asgard, Atlantis, or Attilan have fallen, things will one day change. Maybe back to a mansion. Maybe some other way. Heroes change bases and vibes all the time, like every Avengers' location, the FF leaves the Baxter Building, X-Factor's Ship or Utopia. Every franchise seems to go "back to basics" at some point when sales fall. If knowing that there will inevitably be a shift in the status quo, whether it's three years, five years or ten years down the line, really bothers you then I think you'll always be disappointed.

I can see the argument that this really isn't a paradigm shift, that it's mainly executional changes as opposed to a true strategic change. I'd prefer stories that show progress in integration and diversity of human perspective, but the underlying issues with humans vs. Mutants is the X-Men's hook. Otherwise, they're just another super team. If you want comics without humans vs. Mutants, there's literally hundreds of options. If the X-Men just become Mutant Avengers, what's the point? We could read regular Avengers. In the same way these types of issues don't just get solved in reality, they're not getting solved in comics. It's not like fighting Kang or the Red Skull where you dust your hands at the end and move on. I guess that's frustrating, but it's the reality when you deal with social issues.

I mostly read X-men books a long time ago… so for me, it has never been about genocids and persecution. There was some tension, mistrust but nothing extreme… and it was ok, it was interesting and it was fun. Because the stories were well-written: there was a mix of science-fiction, old legends, fairy tales and modern problems. The X-men were odd, they might struggle to find their place in the world but there was no generalized hate. I really think it was a lack of imagination from the writers for this… arms race.

[Frobisher]

The mutants have no interest in kidnapping Franklin because they could simply clone him if they were so desperate to have his powerset on his side.

They are clearly going to try to convince Sue and Reed that Krakoa is the best for Franklin.

And the clone could choose to just go home.

[Glio]

And the clone could choose to just go home.

If they reached the point of cloning a person, the brainwash ethical barrier was passed long ago.

[spirit2011]

If they reached the point of cloning a person, the brainwash ethical barrier was passed long ago.

Anyway X-men know better to not mess with Valeria, she can bring down Krakoa

[Desmark]

And human torch, invisible woman, Reed Franklin can't? The torch could in theory go Nova and burn everyone to crisp, Sue can envelope the island with her field uproot it and throw it into space or simply break apart the island. Reed when provoked eliminates entire timelines like when the TMV had the temerity to put him on trial. Each one given their abilities and given element of surprise can singlehandedly bring down Krakoa.

[Glio]

Guys, I don't want to turn this into X-men vs 4F but you know how many omegas Krakoa has, right?

[spirit2011]

And human torch, invisible woman, Reed Franklin can't? The torch could in theory go Nova and burn everyone to crisp, Sue can envelope the island with her field uproot it and throw it into space or simply break apart the island. Reed when provoked eliminates entire timelines like when the TMV had the temerity to put him on trial. Each one given their abilities and given element of surprise can singlehandedly bring down Krakoa.

You forgot Valeria being even smarter than Reed.

[Desmark]

You forgot Valeria being even smarter than Reed.

Yes, she is smarter, I didn't forget it but you neglected to mention that the others are equally a threat and they are veterans of many battles unlike Valeria who is mostly untested. The X-Men will likely pay more attention to the adults than her and rightfully so.

[Camelia]

Yes, she is smarter, I didn't forget it but you neglected to mention that the others are equally a threat and they are veterans of many battles unlike Valeria who is mostly untested. The X-Men will likely pay more attention to the adults than her and rightfully so.

Valeria's point is that she will become Doom, someday.

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[Chris0013]

That's an absurd demand to make. You can't expect other Marvel series to drop what they are doing just to show them "helping mutants get to the gates". That's not how shared universes work. Acknowledging what's happening in other books is par for the course and normal. Asking them to dedicate storylines to that, when it's not in the context of an event/crossover, is basically Hijacking.

Eh. It wasn't absurd when it happened with the terrigen cloud so it is what it is. That is literally what the x-books had to do for more than a year. So if it's good for one end it's good for the other. The current x-stories is about building a mutant nation and the outside world is consisted of those others books so if they want us to see there are good humans it's on them. Fair is fair. Otherwise the x-books will get to it when they good and ready.

And no one said they have to derail their stories create a book for it, if not it must not bother the main mu how humans are viewed much.

It doesn't have to be all the titles, all the time. There was a She-Hulk story a couple years back where she represented a mutant high school student https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Betha...my_(Earth-616).

They could put a couple of mutants on the Avengers...like Firestar and Madison Jeffries/Box. And you show them dealing with opposing protests (anti and pro mutant) and their teammates having their backs.

They could make Ironheart's friend Xavier King a mutant and run a subplot that no one knows the new costumed hero is him...he stops some bangers after a drive by, couple issues later saves some families from a burning building, couple issues later helps the police stop someone like Roughhouse from robbing a bank. Then he tells Riri it is him...and (in costume) he gives an interview telling them the world he is a mutant. And he gets mixed reactions...anti mutant type who have their coniption...but also people he saved or helped...including the PD and FD...saying they don't care he is a mutant...he saved people's lives and that is all that matters to them.

They could have a federal agent who is a mutant. Think Raylan Givens as a mutant. Give him powers like Solarr had...absorb solar energy and shoot heat beams.

[zinderel]

Unless I see Sentinels/Omega Sentinels over that title, I Don't think the novissimas storyline will affect the rest of MU at all. We'll see.

I think the point of many is that it probably won’t...but it should. It’s a HUGE plotline, and for it to be ignored by everyone else diminishes its value. Once upon a time, in the Golden ages of Claremont and Byrne, there was a genuine shared universe and a somewhat coherent timeline. Now, who the heck knows when anything is happening?

Is Absolute Carnage before or after War of the Realms? Did War of the Realms start before or after Age of X/Rosencanny? When does Doctor Doom take place in relation to HoXPoX? In Doctor Doom, humanity sets up a black hole generator on the moon, where the X-Men have set up a habitat. When the black hole generator gets bombed, how do the mutants in the Moon habitat react? Are they up there yet at the point where the reactor blows up? Does Doctor Doom Take place after HixMen and we now know that the moon habitat goes away before we even got to know it in the X titles? When the HELL is Black Panther in space but also still banging Ororo supposed to fit into the timeline?!

It is not outlandish or unreasonable to expect that a major story like HoXPoX should be at LEAST mentioned in other comics taking place concurrently. It doesn’t have to be a big reference, but something other than Danny Rand insulting them in Contagion or whoever it was that was cagey about it in Marvel 1000. If the X-Men are expected to take part in Avengers events, then the same should be expected in return. And really, we don’t even need to see the X-Men specifically. ANY mutant, even just a background shot in a panel or two of some rando teenage mutant who can’t ‘pass’ and his parents walking in the sunshine and smiling instead of being hunted and ridiculed and threatened. Or a news report about the Krakoa nation-state from the Bugle or whatever. Something showing this is a shared universe for more than just Avengers. Something showing that writers and editors care about the level of fatigue people feel about the constant, unending, unthinking hate and evil of the last few years.

It USED to be that way. And we used to have Notes from the Editor to let us know what issue of X-Men or Spider-Man or Daredevil to read to get more information. Now...? What do editors even DO anymore? There is so little cohesion or control that everything feels like it just doesn’t matter since a new Issue 1 is coming down the lane eventually. Every title is it’s own, hermetically sealed container of a pocket universe except when an Avengers event happens. So we finally get a mutant story that feels like it matters and hope to see that story at least merit a mention elsewhere in the shared universe...and we get called unreasonable or worse.

All anyone wants is to stop seeing extinction and genocide being the only plotline writers use, SOME decent humans, and a shared universe that feels lived in and cohesive again. One where what happens in one franchise DOES affect the others, even if only in minor ways.

It would be amazing if Iron Man 2020 actually dropped nods to what Hickman has set up. But I won’t hold my breath, since ‘shared universe’ doesn’t really mean anything anymore.

[Chris0013]

I think the point of many is that it probably won’t...but it should. It’s a HUGE plotline, and for it to be ignored by everyone else diminishes its value. Once upon a time, in the Golden ages of Claremont and Byrne, there was a genuine shared universe and a somewhat coherent timeline. Now, who the heck knows when anything is happening?

Is Absolute Carnage before or after War of the Realms? Did War of the Realms start before or after Age of X/Rosencanny? When does Doctor Doom take place in relation to HoXPoX? In Doctor Doom, humanity sets up a black hole generator on the moon, where the X-Men have set up a habitat. When the black hole generator gets bombed, how do the mutants in the Moon habitat react? Are they up there yet at the point where the reactor blows up? Does Doctor Doom Take place after HixMen and we now know that the moon habitat goes away before we even got to know it in the X titles? When the HELL is Black Panther in space but also still banging Ororo supposed to fit into the timeline?!

It is not outlandish or unreasonable to expect that a major story like HoXPoX should be at LEAST mentioned in other comics taking place concurrently. It doesn’t have to be a big reference, but something other than Danny Rand insulting them in Contagion or whoever it was that was cagey about it in Marvel 1000. If the X-Men are expected to take part in Avengers events, then the same should be expected in return. And really, we don’t even need to see the X-Men specifically. ANY mutant, even just a background shot in a panel or two of some rando teenage mutant who can’t ‘pass’ and his parents walking in the sunshine and smiling instead of being hunted and ridiculed and threatened. Or a news report about the Krakoa nation-state from the Bugle or whatever. Something showing this is a shared universe for more than just Avengers. Something showing that writers and editors care about the level of fatigue people feel about the constant, unending, unthinking hate and evil of the last few years.

It USED to be that way. And we used to have Notes from the Editor to let us know what issue of X-Men or Spider-Man or Daredevil to read to get more information. Now...? What do editors even DO anymore? There is so little cohesion or control that everything feels like it just doesn’t matter since a new Issue 1 is coming down the lane eventually. Every title is it’s own, hermetically sealed container of a pocket universe except when an Avengers event happens. So we finally get a mutant story that feels like it matters and hope to see that story at least merit a mention elsewhere in the shared universe...and we get called unreasonable or worse.

All anyone wants is to stop seeing extinction and genocide being the only plotline writers use, SOME decent humans, and a shared universe that feels lived in and cohesive again. One where what happens in one franchise DOES affect the others, even if only in minor ways.

It would be amazing if Iron Man 2020 actually dropped nods to what Hickman has set up. But I won’t hold my breath, since ‘shared universe’ doesn’t really mean anything anymore.

And that is all on the editors. They are the ones who need to ride heard over the writers.