Feeling awkward? For who?
Jean still pretty much present on most popular x-men characters lists.
Emma got to shine from nowhere and no one baited a eye on it. I don't know why would be hard to do the same for Jean now.
Basically BS and a bad excuse to keep Jean from the deserving spotlight
why not taken seriously?
So people only accept seriously if i criticize from some random "y" point.
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For people.
Yes, character popularity lists are relevant when they come from sites where people clearly don't read comics or social networks where there isn't an homogenous audience.Jean still pretty much present on most popular x-men characters lists.
Emma had Generation X at a time where you slapped an X in anything and the book sold like water in the desert. Gen X ended in 2001, the same year Morrison's X-Men started. Wasn't quite the jump. I understand being stubborn to the point of sounding obsessive, but analysis has to be made in context too. We don't live in those happy times, gotta play the most recent hits.Emma got to shine from nowhere and no one baited a eye on it. I don't know why would be hard to do the same for Jean now.
"Deserving" is very subjective. You and a bunch think it is deserved, other fans disagree. Hickman probably doesn't care about your or my feelings, so this is irrelevant. If he tailored the story to fit Jean's character or skillset, you wouldn't complain as much as you complain for him doing the same for the characters on the spotlight currently.Basically BS and a bad excuse to keep Jean from the deserving spotlight
what people? I can only think people who doesn't like the character
If lists on a site called comic book resources isn't about peopple reading comics, then it is just hard.Yes, character popularity lists are relevant when they come from sites where people clearly don't read comics or social networks where there isn't an homogenous audience.
Anyway being popular between non comic readers isn't a bad thing, they can become a new reader tomorrow for all we know. Comics need to expand their readership
majority of people didn't read gen X when it was published and the focus of the series were the students.Emma had Generation X at a time where you slapped an X in anything and the book sold like water in the desert. Gen X ended in 2001, the same year Morrison's X-Men started. Wasn't quite the jump. I understand being stubborn to the point of sounding obsessive, but analysis has to be made in context too. We don't live in those happy times, gotta play the most recent hits.
it was really a big jump, but there is always a excuse when it is a character I like right?
Like ignore that gen x was a third tier book
most recents hits like x-men red? oh no, it is awkward
Some fans will always disagree, doesn't mean it is true in any way."Deserving" is very subjective. You and a bunch think it is deserved, other fans disagree. Hickman probably doesn't care about your or my feelings, so this is irrelevant. If he tailored the story to fit Jean's character or skillset, you wouldn't complain as much as you complain for him doing the same for the characters on the spotlight currently.
I JUST want Jean being written well
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why are Jean fans being so pessimistic. I can think of a ton of other characters, including my fave, who hasnt been central to these stories and u dont see fans of these characters making a fuss.
ALL HAIL THE HADARI YAO, THE OMEGA'S OMEGA, BEYOND OMEGA, THE VOICE OF SOL!!!! NOW AGAIN THE ONE TRUE AND ONLY GODDESS OF THE X-MEN AS CLAREMONT INTENDED!!!!!
Not random - reasonable.
You make reasonable, substantive criticisms in the appropriate threads.
That's generally how people take you seriously.
So, for your instance, if my position(s) were -
"Jean's showings in HOX/POX/DOX have been weak or OOC."
"Hickman isn't doing Jean justice or writing her correctly."
Or "The X-Men need to have a Jean-centered era."
Then I would post:
- In the threads dedicated to those specific issues (once they've been released), in a review style post.
- In the Jean Appreciation thread as part of general convo.
- Or make my own thread - especially if I felt the topic is meaningful and worthy of discussion on it's own.
That way, you don't come across as 'whiny' and avoid derailing threads about books that haven't been released yet.
People aren't going to take complaints seriously right now because they're absurdly premature and almost everyone recognizes that.
Hickman came on board with a story he wants to tell and with a stated goal of righting the X-Men as a franchise. Something, anecdotally at least, the vast majority of its fans seem to agree was necessary. Next HoX/PoX were, by Hickman's own admission, not X-Men stories. They are stories about mutants as a whole, the creation of a mutant state and mutant culture, not the X-Men and certainly not about individual X-Men. The new beginning of the X-Men franchise wasn't HoX#1, it was X-Men #1.
Or people who aren't interested or who just feel the character can't sustain the franchise. Hell if I know. The response "For people" was just for giggles, anyway.
CBR is literally the worst example you could pick, holy shit.If lists on a site called comic book resources isn't about peopple reading comics, then it is just hard.
Anyway being popular between non comic readers isn't a bad thing, they can become a new reader tomorrow for all we know. Comics need to expand their readership
X-Men: Red was pretty much a third tier book. Nothing that happened in it actually affected the franchise as a whole, except the existence of Searebro.majority of people didn't read gen X when it was published and the focus of the series were the students.
it was really a big jump, but there is always a excuse when it is a character I like right?
Like ignore that gen x was a third tier book
Third tier book, if we use your logic.most recents hits like x-men red? oh no, it is awkward
Yeah, I'm gonna believe that when you already showed that you think such a thing as unbiased writing exists or your complaints about the story being tailored to favor Hickman's favorites. Sure thing, kitten. That's besides the point, anyway. For all I and some thought, except for that panel with her death, she was written well enough. Then again, I'm not the greatest Jean fan around. It's not like Cyclops or other characters I like never had less than flattering writing from Hickman. Didn't affect my enjoyment of the story he was telling or my opinion of his grasp on the character.Some fans will always disagree, doesn't mean it is true in any way.
I JUST want Jean being written well
Oh wow we're still on the Jean vs Emma train.
How about be like the characters in the panel and have a beer together.
Some of you are relentless.
At least it's kinda on-topic. The issue already made the usual people angry for existing on a conceptual level, it will continue to do so when both characters aren't written at each other's throat or Jean owning Emma every five balloons.
Also, that beer ended either in swinging, group sex or a four-way Smash Bros game, which I doubt would be more peaceful than this, if the posters involved participated. I can already hear the "you only main Megaman because Capcom has been pushing him, instead of using Pikachu, who's a better character than him in every way".
BULL CRAP.
People don't mind critique from anyone's fans, it's how they bring it across. Derailing every single thread that even vaguely mentions Jean to talk about conspiracies about how Hickman hates Jean and will never allow to be written well is where people draw the line.