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    Quote Originally Posted by RachelGrey View Post
    I feel like it was the writer doing their cliche vision of a social justice warrior. Don't get me wrong I did like Red, but I felt like the writer was trying so hard to make political points that they didn't realize how cliche some of it was and it shows in the writing a lot. Honestly the Cassandra Nova arch went on way too long, that should have been a 4 or 5 issue arch, and then move on to the next story arch. Spreading it out over the entire run is what made the story feel like it was moving too slow!
    I didn't thought it was any cliche. he just spoke the truth and it can be very incovenient when all people want is fight and blood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celestialbodies View Post
    So, was Utopia, so was the move the San Francisco, so was the move to Central Park, so was Westchester, so was the move to Limbo but the differences imo were those had years of time to fully develop those concepts. .
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    The difference between Krakoa and Jean's setup is the difference in editorial commitment.

    Also, getting to an island is considerably less difficult than getting to the bottom of the ocean.
    "Cyclops loves wilted roses because they remind him of dead redheads."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiccan View Post
    I loved woke Jean's speeches and I'm not even being ironic.
    I liked the first couple. By the time we got to thuddingly blatant slogans about how social media is dangerous and how they could “fight back” by posting on Facebook and Twitter at the speed of light, I wanted to go hide somewhere. Nice thought but cringey execution.

    Also, I liked Jean herself in the book but Kurt being moved to tears by her stock Lisa Frank vision of the same old mutant nation (but uh, at the UN or something) was groan-worthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiccan View Post
    I loved woke Jean's speeches and I'm not even being ironic.
    They were only really woke in a Mayor Pete kind of way tho

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitty&Piotr<3 View Post
    The difference between Krakoa and Jean's setup is the difference in editorial commitment.

    Also, getting to an island is considerably less difficult than getting to the bottom of the ocean.
    THIS! I believe Searebro appeared in only one other book outside of Red and that was Extermination. Their was no editorial commitment to it and there was no new status quo built out of it. It disappeared without a trace and hasnt been mentioned since

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maestroneto View Post
    They were only really woke in a Mayor Pete kind of way tho
    We. Are. Going. To. Weaponize. The. Truth!


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    Hasn’t Hillary been blamed for enough?

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    Did y’all see that Tea Party speech he gave? Surprised (not really) he didn’t drop out but if that was the case, Biden would’ve dropped out ages ago.

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    #Benghazi #FreeThighsForAFreeNation

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    That's what I have over Beelzebub now, Honoka-chan. He thinks he's a third-year school idol. I know what I am. And in this fight-- that makes me INVINCIBLE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    Good point. Considering that Storm and Emma will already be interacting in Maraurders, I wonder how Jean will get involved in this story. You think Emma contacts Jean for hep?
    Could be.

    At least this is a strong indication that whatever happens/happened to Storm in this comic comes from developments in Marauders. Which makes sense of course, as that 's her home comic at the moment. And Hickman using it as a starting point maybe explains why he called it important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoop Dogg View Post
    #Benghazi #FreeThighsForAFreeNation

    This is embarrassing, what does this all mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasmineW View Post
    This is embarrassing, what does this all mean?
    att least hillary did it right what is Ellen even???
    Jean is the Hillary of the X-Men. Emma is Monica in that she's the real hero of the story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celestialbodies View Post
    So, was Utopia, so was the move the San Francisco, so was the move to Central Park, so was Westchester, so was the move to Limbo but the differences imo were those had years of time to fully develop those concepts. Jean had 12 issues in XM:R of which also had to set up the series direction, the characters involved, the antagonist etc. I didn't say it was perfect I was simply responding to the school of thought, Jean wasn't a politician or diplomat.
    Utopia, San Francisco and New Tian were also developed during a period of big crisis for mutants, Searebro had more resources and possibly more connections. All I'm saying is, she might have been a diplomat during one hot hour but we didn't see anything done from her except for the (imo cringy) speeches. Nothing that would make her a better candidate than say Beast or Emma or Xavier in the role of Krakoa politic voice.

    Anyway, I hope this issue is great like the Morrison silent issue. And I hope Hickman will keep that silent issue in mind when doing this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veitha View Post
    Utopia, San Francisco and New Tian were also developed during a period of big crisis for mutants, Searebro had more resources and possibly more connections. All I'm saying is, she might have been a diplomat during one hot hour but we didn't see anything done from her except for the (imo cringy) speeches. Nothing that would make her a better candidate than say Beast or Emma or Xavier in the role of Krakoa politic voice.

    Anyway, I hope this issue is great like the Morrison silent issue. And I hope Hickman will keep that silent issue in mind when doing this.
    To be fair, the entirety of Red save the first few pages of #1 were one big flashback. Jean was a fugitive for the entire run and only in the last panel was she free to start up her mutant nation but Age of X-man happened the next month and the status quo she set up in Red wasnt allowed to go anywhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiccan View Post
    I loved woke Jean's speeches and I'm not even being ironic.
    Agreed. I loved that line as well as the 'we will fight for you anyway.' The weaponizing the truth was a good line because it was so timely because we are in a world where facts do not matter and we are in a world full of alternate truths and propaganda that it is hard to know what "truth" is anymore. You get a whole different worldview depending on what news source you happen to read, watch, or listen to.

    I will always have a special place for X-Men Red. It may not have been perfect but at least it had a message. It meant something (I know it kind of fizzled out at the end) but the commentary on online trolls (ie comicsgate was worth the price of admission!)

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