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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    To be fair, the entirety of Red save the first few pages of #1 were one big flashback. Jean was a fugitive for the entire run and only in the last panel was she free to start up her mutant nation but Age of X-man happened the next month and the status quo she set up in Red wasnt allowed to go anywhere
    Yeah it was really short lived. And it was also kind of random to be honest, trying to establish a mutant nation in that period and time when the school was doing pretty well and without showing any consultation with other mutants about it. I feel like Taylor wanted to tell this story with the social criticism shoved in and went on about it.

    Anyway, it still kinda proves the point that Hickman made the right choice when he chose the political figures of Krakoa since Jean didn't really get the time to be developed as this expert diplomat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veitha View Post
    Yeah it was really short lived. And it was also kind of random to be honest, trying to establish a mutant nation in that period and time when the school was doing pretty well and without showing any consultation with other mutants about it. I feel like Taylor wanted to tell this story with the social criticism shoved in and went on about it.

    Anyway, it still kinda proves the point that Hickman made the right choice when he chose the political figures of Krakoa since Jean didn't really get the time to be developed as this expert diplomat.
    Yeah I wonder if Jean's role in X-Men Red sealed the deal for her to be on the quiet council, but you never know what went into the decisions of the members. Jean and Ororo are great choices to be on the leadership of a nation (and I'd argue same with Kurt).

    It is too bad that X-Men Red didn't have the push it needed to be the flagship book. It got a lot of good press and good reviews. It was hailed over and over as the best the X-Men had been in years (again may not be saying much, but ..). What made it mean something was the social commentary. I know some do not like it especially the people it was directed against (those in comicsgate spreading bigotry on twitter and elsewhere) but the X-Men should always have social commentary. Some should be more implicit but some should definitely be explicit.

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    I thought it was really smart of Red to imagine Sentinels less like giant robots (un)stealthily hiding behind buildings in downtown New York and more as online bots spreading misinformation and radicalizing fascists. It was the best cultural commentary the X-books had in years, keeping in mind that X-men leadership leading up to Red had been totally polarizing (Scott and Emma), ineffective (Storm), or unlikeable (Kitty). Jean's idea was for dual citizenship for everyone mutant (citizenship to the state they were born in and citizenship to a landless mutant collective) so that they would be granted forms of universal rights and privileges. Taylor's story and Jean's vision felt somewhat unfinished and unrealized and abstract (not surprising since X-books had to tread water for years because Hickman had the big plans). Jean had a few bad "both sides" moments, but seeing a strong and compassionate leader protecting mutants from "hate" was nice to see at the time.

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    Krakoa doesn't allow dual citizenship, eh? A person from any nation who awakens his X-gene powers automatically loses his current citizenship and becomes Krakoan, nothing else? Is that how the mutant nation spins it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Londo Bellian View Post
    Krakoa doesn't allow dual citizenship, eh? A person from any nation who awakens his X-gene powers automatically loses his current citizenship and becomes Krakoan, nothing else? Is that how it goes?
    I don't think so. Pretty sure they can combine citizenships with Krakoa. Could be wrong though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The General, JLA #38
    'Why?' Just to see the disappointment on your corn-fed, gee-whiz face, Superman. And because a great dark voice on the edge of nothing spoke to me and said you all had to die. There is no 'Why?'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Londo Bellian View Post
    Krakoa doesn't allow dual citizenship, eh? A person from any nation who awakens his X-gene powers automatically loses his current citizenship and becomes Krakoan, nothing else? Is that how the mutant nation spins it?
    I’m pretty sure you can be a citizen of Krakoa and citizen of your birth country. When Xavier gives his global speech at the beginning of HOX, he requests that all mutants be given birthright citizenship to Krakoa, which doesn’t necessarily negate their birth country citizenship.

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    X-Women looking amazing!
    For the children, the wardrobe, and which one of these is a mimosa tree? Krakoa forever!

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    Who designed jean's new uniform? It is not satisfactory. Especially compared to Emma's new uniform, I can't stand it. In fact, jean's uniform has not been pretty since X-Men Red. HOX /POX, jean has changed into the former uniform and looks good. Now her uniform was even worse. I know the artist may have wanted to pay tribute to her 90's look, but the results were really poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PotniaTheron View Post
    Who designed jean's new uniform? It is not satisfactory. Especially compared to Emma's new uniform, I can't stand it. In fact, jean's uniform has not been pretty since X-Men Red. HOX /POX, jean has changed into the former uniform and looks good. Now her uniform was even worse. I know the artist may have wanted to pay tribute to her 90's look, but the results were really poor.
    That is her X-Men Red uniform in her signature color scheme. Hickman commented that Jean should “always be in green and gold” so it may have been his idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PotniaTheron View Post
    Who designed jean's new uniform? It is not satisfactory. Especially compared to Emma's new uniform, I can't stand it. In fact, jean's uniform has not been pretty since X-Men Red. HOX /POX, jean has changed into the former uniform and looks good. Now her uniform was even worse. I know the artist may have wanted to pay tribute to her 90's look, but the results were really poor.
    ? It's literally her X-men Red outfit recolored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loke13 View Post
    ? It's literally her X-men Red outfit recolored.
    I think he means the Red one was bad too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PotniaTheron View Post
    Who designed jean's new uniform? It is not satisfactory. Especially compared to Emma's new uniform, I can't stand it. In fact, jean's uniform has not been pretty since X-Men Red. HOX /POX, jean has changed into the former uniform and looks good. Now her uniform was even worse. I know the artist may have wanted to pay tribute to her 90's look, but the results were really poor.
    She probably put on some weight between now and february. and without Phoenix level molecular tk to burn the fat wel....


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    Will Storm eventually get her solo mini about saving these two damsels?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Quiet Councilor View Post
    That is her X-Men Red uniform in her signature color scheme. Hickman commented that Jean should “always be in green and gold” so it may have been his idea.
    ...It's not a bad color scheme, but when it's used on this uniform, it's a nightmare.

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