What of Xavier's Dream?

[Steel Inquisitor]

...because it bears reposting for those feigning deafness and blindness.

That quote reinforces Xavier's dream of fighting for peaceful coexistence, it says nothing about approving what Krakoa's doing. It's about America embracing full equality, not domination or separation. He didn't support segregation.

https://www.scholastic.com/teachers/...uther-king-jr/

"I could never adjust to the separate waiting rooms, separate eating places, separate rest rooms, partly because the separate was always unequal, and partly because the very idea of separation did something to my sense of dignity and self-respect." –1958

"Segregation...not only harms one physically but injures one spiritually...It scars the soul...It is a system which forever stares the segregated in the face, saying 'You are less than...''You are not equal to...'"

[Electricmastro]

Actions speak louder than words.

As if the X-Men haven’t been doing enough productive action in attempting to achieve what Professor X said as of late?

[Tycon]

That quote reinforces Xavier's dream of fighting for peaceful coexistence, it says nothing about approving what Krakoa's doing. It's about America embracing full equality, not domination or separation. He didn't support segregation.

https://www.scholastic.com/teachers/...uther-king-jr/

Stop disrespecting MLK’s history for some bland point that makes no sense. You don’t understand what segregation really is if that’s what you’re calling marginalized ppl (mutants) carving their own space out to maintain safety.

[Glio]

Guys, it's only segregation if the dominant force does it. It is obvious. If those who are discriminated against decide to leave, that is not segregation.

[Zelena]

As if the X-Men haven’t been doing enough productive action in attempting to achieve what Professor X said as of late?

Another author, another X-men…
I see nothing in common between Claremont's X-men and Hickman's X-men…

[Devaishwarya]

Another author, another X-men…
I see nothing in common between Claremont's X-men and Hickman's X-men…

And thank the Goddess for that.
30-40 years later I would hope that the types of stories would be different.

[Glio]

Another author, another X-men…
I see nothing in common between Claremont's X-men and Hickman's X-men…

If the approach to racism were the same today as it was 40 years ago, that would be really bad.

[Kisinith]

If the approach to racism were the same today as it was 40 years ago, that would be really bad.

The depressing thing is that some of the detractors seem to be implying that anything other than the same approach that was used 40 years ago is equal to abandoning the struggle.

[Kisinith]

In theory, this is correct - in practice how Krakoa is doing this is incorrect.

Says who? and Why, why is this approach "incorrect".

You know what the compromise is? It's very similar to the Hellfire Club's goal to acquire power, only rather than mutants being a tool for them to exploit it's incorporated into the goal.

here's a quote from New Mutants Vol.1, #16:

This is not simply about people being invited, this is about giving political control to the worst of the worst and letting known mass murderers go off the leash as if they are tools to be discarded when they "surprisingly" go rogue (Sabretooth). Who saw Sabretooth doing that, clearly not Xavier or the various X-men on the Quiet Council - it's not like they've worked with him before.

Segregation as a concept is wrong, is the thing. They learnt nothing about the bad consequences from the Inhumans doing this.

Compromise is good, it's how they've compromised which has been controversial. And that's not the sole reason why Krkaoa is created, Moria X was a huge component in that and they're preparing for war to stop the coming future not settling down for peace. It's a respite for now but that's not going to last forever and they've made compromises which will hurt their international reputation far more if that gets out - like the Crucible, see how this goes being featured in evening news in Marvel, and the cartels. Xavier has plausible deniability but how long will that last? If Emma turns on Xavier for getting Shaw this becomes a domino against Krkaoa and she's shown doubts about the government like wanting democracy. That's a stance which will cost him dearly if Xavier won't give up his power and this Xavier loves the power he has.

What they're doing now is the exact opposite of the "dream" and in fact might make it harder in the future for the X-men to go about doing that once the dominoes fall, unless there's a great excuse like they're plant clones or Xavier's created another power mad version of himself. Again.

Segregation, compromising so thoroughly that the lines are blurred between the super-heroes and super-villains, mutant supremacy being encouraged, letting his students get abused by super-villains, creating a mutant dictatorship have nothing to do with Xavier's dream, it's a subversion. This is another dream and it's not Xavier's as we know it.

1) Its not segregation, that is a false argument
Segregation is defined by the European Commission against Racism and Intolerance as "the act by which a (natural or legal) person separates other persons on the basis of one of the enumerated grounds without an objective and reasonable justification, in conformity with the proposed definition of discrimination. As a result, the voluntary act of separating oneself from other people on the basis of one of the enumerated grounds does not constitute segregation"

Its going to be a hard time proving that ongoing and persistent attempts at genocide targeting the mutant people would not qualify as "an objective and reasonable justification". That is also ignoring that voluntarily separating oneself is not segregation. Its also not segregation because they are not removing people from Krakoa on the basis of their race.

2) You keep returning to the presence of villains on Krakoa, while continuing to ignore the context of why they are there, that there presence, for good or ill, was necessary because of their powers, their resources or their influence would prevent this from being a true union of all of the mutant people. You ignore the fact that, if you like the story or not, PoX established that the individual plans all fail and that this attempt is to bring all of the mutants together. You cant have all if you start excluding people.

3) You ignore the stakes, in the comic, this is life and death, not just for an individual or a team but for their entire species. If they fail, they believe that's it, game over. You completely discount the element of desperation inherent in their actions, in-spite of the fact that it is repeated over and over.

4) You completely discount the fact that to even enter Krakoa the villainous mutants had to pledge themselves to following Krakoas laws. The X-Men can rightly look at Krakoa as a restraining influence over these groups and individuals. Several of whom have been shown to have changed and embraced the opportunities presented to them (Pyro and Black Tom most obviously).

[Zelena]

If the approach to racism were the same today as it was 40 years ago, that would be really bad.

Who was talking about racism? It was about beliefs. It doesn't seem logical to me to link X-men's past actions with their current actions when the author and the spirit of the comic feel so different.

[Devaishwarya]

Kisinith...Expounder and purveyor of truth and knowledge, extraordinaire.

[Devaishwarya]

Who was talking about racism? It was about beliefs. It doesn't seem logical to me to link X-men's past actions with their current actions when the author and the spirit of the comic feel so different.

Exactatiously.
Tell that to some people.

[Veitha]

Kisinith...Expounder and purveyor of truth and knowledge, extraordinaire.

Yess ^

Perfect summary and receipts on point, Kisinith.

[Glio]

Who was talking about racism? It was about beliefs. It doesn't seem logical to me to link X-men's past actions with their current actions when the author and the spirit of the comic feel so different.

The way in which you defend your beliefs must be dictated by the context in which you live. If it is not an empty message.

"I am me and my circumstance" like Ortega y Gasset said. Perhaps 40 years ago, thinking that racism could be solved by singing kumbaya and with everyone making friends was acceptable, not today.

[RachelGrey]

Guys, it's only segregation if the dominant force does it. It is obvious. If those who are discriminated against decide to leave, that is not segregation.

Yes, exactly, it's called fleeing genocide by a oppressive regime that wanted to eliminate them! They fled to Krakoa to be safe from oppression, enslavement (weapon programs, hound programs), experimentation, concentration camps (X-Men Black: Magneto), force cures, and genocide!

I am sorry but if you are fleeing from genocide you are trying to survive and you try to create a place where you and your children will be safe from the forces of genocide!