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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    Because immigration is good, and its not just humans, Krakoa is on Marvel Earth not ours. Not every human is dangerous or a bigot to mutants, but you wouldn't know it from this thread. If Moira had remained a human posters wouldn't want her on the island because they'd think she was a security risk for the crime of being human. Racism is not solely confined to ethnicity, but species in Marvel.
    Not quite. People in this thread have reiterated constantly that human allies, friends and family are already on the island. Moira would have been as welcomed as Kyle is. You are the one that cant seperate the two.

    The X-men are not racist. You really shouldnt throw that term around lightly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    Because immigration is good, and its not just humans, Krakoa is on Marvel Earth not ours. Not every human is dangerous or a bigot to mutants, but you wouldn't know it from this thread. If Moira had remained a human posters wouldn't want her on the island because they'd think she was a security risk for the crime of being human. Racism is not solely confined to ethnicity, but species in Marvel.
    It's a nation that is still just putting itself together, and the outside world sent human mercenaries onto the island to assassinate their leader after, what...just 2 weeks? For the crime of wanting their own safe space and a period of adjustment. How dare they?

    There is an attitude of entitlement here. The human race has dominion over the entire rest of the globe. If they are not allowed on Krakoa without family connections or a special invitation for a period (not necessarily permanently)...well, they can suck it up for a while. They have literally everywhere else to go. And this is after the systems in place have made life incredibly dangerous for the average mutant, not even the legit potentially dangerous ones like Magneto. This is a world where some random schmuck with a horn on his head that doesn't do anything will get killed for being perceived as dangerous even before he does anything.

    Again, this is just like the Amazons in Wonder Woman. If they were real, i'd be uncomfortable with the fact that the Amazons would be wary around me just because I was male. But knowing their history that the last encounters they had with men involved them slandering their reputations, destroying their home, enslaving them, beating them, raping them, etc., I like to think I'd get over myself and respect the fact that I have no right to barge into their home when I have one of my own (and can go anywhere else). The onus isn't really on them to fix things after they were victims.

    Basically, everyone should be like Steve Trevor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post
    It's a nation that is still just putting itself together, and the outside world sent human mercenaries onto the island to assassinate their leader after, what...just 2 weeks? For the crime of wanting their own safe space and a period of adjustment. How dare they?
    and not just Xavier. People focus on him bc he is the biggest feature but random innocent mutants were slaughtered. This is what happened the first time uninvited humans stepped fought on Krakoa soil





    That was nearly a massacre. This what prompted them to be even stricter with security bc they are at risk from people that are actively trying to kill them. It blows my mind why some people cant see why non-ally humans need a mutant escort to be there. I would hope that these images would speak for themselves

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    Because immigration is good, and its not just humans, Krakoa is on Marvel Earth not ours. Not every human is dangerous or a bigot to mutants, but you wouldn't know it from this thread.
    Um Why would Humans immigrate to KraKoa? The Jobs? Healthcare? Missionary Work? More than likely they'd paint their faces, glue on a couple horns and/or eyes and sample some sweeeet cultural appropriation
    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    If Moira had remained a human posters wouldn't want her on the island because they'd think she was a security risk for the crime of being human.
    She has an island to herself....why would she come to KraKoa?
    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    Racism is not solely confined to ethnicity, but species in Marvel.
    That would be Specism, but Mutants and Humans are the same species

    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post
    It's a nation that is still just putting itself together, and the outside world sent human mercenaries onto the island to assassinate their leader after, what...just 2 weeks? For the crime of wanting their own safe space and a period of adjustment. How dare they?

    There is an attitude of entitlement here.
    The human race has dominion over the entire rest of the globe. If they are not allowed on Krakoa without family connections or a special invitation for a period (not necessarily permanently)...well, they can suck it up for a while. They have literally everywhere else to go. And this is after the systems in place have made life incredibly dangerous for the average mutant, not even the legit potentially dangerous ones like Magneto. This is a world where some random schmuck with a horn on his head that doesn't do anything will get killed for being perceived as dangerous even before he does anything.
    Yes Yes Yes! I wouldn't think people would refuse to acknowledge/respect others right to be left alone...
    Like Humans get a clue....not everything has to include you!

    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post
    Basically, everyone should be like Steve Trevor.
    Uh with two first names? Nah
    lol j/k
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    and not just Xavier. People focus on him bc he is the biggest feature but random innocent mutants were slaughtered. This is what happened the first time uninvited humans stepped fought on Krakoa soil





    That was nearly a massacre. This what prompted them to be even stricter with security bc they are at risk from people that are actively trying to kill them. It blows my mind why some people cant see why non-ally humans need a mutant escort to be there. I would hope that these images would speak for themselves
    Because Krakoa itself is racist against anything non-mutant.

    Xavier may as well be the king of Krakoa, what he says goes. He's not a "feature," he's crucial in how the island is governed. Stop with the straw men, that was a tragedy but writing off an entire species because there are bad people among them is wrong. This type of argument only goes in one direction when it could very easily be made against mutants (or other species in Marvel) themselves, which is why it's a bad argument. Don't cherry pick examples to condemn an an entire species, considering what's going on in the world these days surely you've noticed countries who do this are wrong. It's baffling why people are against completely against immigration and tourism.

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    I truly dont understand what krakoa or krakoans have done that's actively anti-human

    well, scratch that - maybe some krakoans in the past lol. but since its establishment as a nation idk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    Because Krakoa itself is racist against anything non-mutant.

    Xavier may as well be the king of Krakoa, what he says goes. He's not a "feature," he's crucial in how the island is governed. Stop with the straw men, that was a tragedy but writing off an entire species because there are bad people among them is wrong. This type of argument only goes in one direction when it could very easily be made against mutants (or other species in Marvel) themselves, which is why it's a bad argument. Don't cherry pick examples to condemn an an entire species, considering what's going on in the world these days surely you've noticed countries who do this are wrong. It's baffling why people are against completely against immigration and tourism.
    lol again WHYYYY would Humans immigrate there? And Tourism? there is nothing to see....no wonders of the world, historical buildings... etc. Just mutants living their best life.
    It's 2020 ethnic tourism is kinda over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    Because Krakoa itself is racist against anything non-mutant.

    Xavier may as well be the king of Krakoa, what he says goes. He's not a "feature," he's crucial in how the island is governed. Stop with the straw men, that was a tragedy but writing off an entire species because there are bad people among them is wrong. This type of argument only goes in one direction when it could very easily be made against mutants (or other species in Marvel) themselves, which is why it's a bad argument. Don't cherry pick examples to condemn an an entire species, considering what's going on in the world these days surely you've noticed countries who do this are wrong. It's baffling why people are against completely against immigration and tourism.
    Where are your reciepts of actual racism?

    I have not condemned an entire species. I have shown evidence to explain why Krakoa is selective about whom they let in. You gloss over and act as enemies trying to decimate them(yet again) isnt an actual real threat. They are worried about survival and making it safe for all citizens and you are worried about commercializing it for fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    Because Krakoa itself is racist against anything non-mutant.

    Xavier may as well be the king of Krakoa, what he says goes. He's not a "feature," he's crucial in how the island is governed. Stop with the straw men, that was a tragedy but writing off an entire species because there are bad people among them is wrong. This type of argument only goes in one direction when it could very easily be made against mutants (or other species in Marvel) themselves, which is why it's a bad argument. Don't cherry pick examples to condemn an an entire species, considering what's going on in the world these days surely you've noticed countries who do this are wrong. It's baffling why people are against completely against immigration and tourism.
    It's baffling that your complaint about Krakoa is tourism. Like... really?

    You should read some X-Men comics from before Krakoa, because there's plenty of reasons for them to be afraid of humans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    Where are your reciepts of actual racism?

    I have not condemned an entire species. I have shown evidence to explain why Krakoa is selective about whom they let in. You gloss over and act as enemies trying to decimate them(yet again) isnt an actual real threat. They are worried about survival and making it safe for all citizens and you are worried about commercializing it for fun
    Quote Originally Posted by Veitha View Post
    It's baffling that your complaint about Krakoa is tourism. Like... really?

    You should read some X-Men comics from before Krakoa, because there's plenty of reasons for them to be afraid of humans.
    This is honestly why these attempted tangents don't really get entertained.

    They are usually roughly "Hey. Here Is Something That I Think Warrants Discussion That Actually Has Right Around 'Nothing...' To Do With What Is Actually Happening In The Titles..."

    No one is entertaining those tangents because they have nothing to do with what is actually happening in the books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BroHomo View Post
    lol again WHYYYY would Humans immigrate there? And Tourism? there is nothing to see....no wonders of the world, historical buildings... etc. Just mutants living their best life.
    It's 2020 ethnic tourism is kinda over.
    Never mind that there is not so much as a single example of a human attempting to immigrate or book a vacation that is actually being turned down for a racist reason.

    It's just another attempt at a nonsensical tangent.

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    On the one hand you have the human "right" to tour Krakoa.

    On the other hand, you have thousands of human-traumatized mutants who want to feel safe and secure in literally the only place on the planet where they can.

    Hard decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by houndsofluv View Post
    stats from here , chart from here

    Refusal rate for travel visa applications, by country, in fiscal year 2018 (US)

    Country Refusal Rate (%)
    Somalia 90.2
    Iran 87.7
    Djibouti 83.0
    Yemen 82.5
    Syria 77.3
    Guinea-Bissau 76.1
    Burundi 74.4
    Venezuela 74.3
    Libya 73.7
    Afghanistan 71.4
    Burkina Faso 71.2
    Guyana 70.6
    Eritrea 69.5

    these are the 14 countries w/ the highest percentages of travel visa refusals in the yr indicated, food for thought
    They refuse by country…
    It may be hypocritical, but I doubt that nowhere in US laws, it is stated that more your skin is light, more likely you are to have a Visa.
    Officially, US is a country of justice and freedom. It is the message that it sends to the rest of the world. I agree that the media belie that a bit…

    But, what of kind of message Krakoa is sending to the rest of world, to its readers? “We consider your behaviour is a function of your genotype and you are treated differently depending on your race.”
    I wonder how the Krakoans could have “human friends”, if these latters are victims of prejudice and patronized.
    At any rate, it has nothing to do with Xavier's dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelena View Post
    They refuse by country…
    It may be hypocritical, but I doubt that nowhere in US laws, it is stated that more your skin is light, more likely you are to have a Visa.
    Officially, US is a country of justice and freedom. It is the message that it sends to the rest of the world. I agree that the media belie that a bit…

    But, what of kind of message Krakoa is sending to the rest of world, to its readers? “We consider your behaviour is a function of your genotype and you are treated differently depending on your race.”
    I wonder how the Krakoans could have “human friends”, if these latters are victims of prejudice and patronized.
    At any rate, it has nothing to do with Xavier's dream.
    Let's say that we buy that calls are being made on the "Species..." component of overall biological classification.

    If that's actually the case?

    Then, it ain't racism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelena View Post
    They refuse by country…
    It may be hypocritical, but I doubt that nowhere in US laws, it is stated that more your skin is light, more likely you are to have a Visa.
    Officially, US is a country of justice and freedom. It is the message that it sends to the rest of the world. I agree that the media belie that a bit…

    But, what of kind of message Krakoa is sending to the rest of world, to its readers? “We consider your behaviour is a function of your genotype and you are treated differently depending on your race.”
    I wonder how the Krakoans could have “human friends”, if these latters are victims of prejudice and patronized.
    At any rate, it has nothing to do with Xavier's dream.
    I can assure you that if that is the message that it tries to send to the rest of the world, it must be doing it wrong because it is not the one that others receive.

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