What of Xavier's Dream?

[Zelena]

Emma: "The goal of the Hellfire Club's Inner Circle is power -- Sebastian Shaw and I wish to rule the world. Mutants are a means to an end."
Kitty: "Whether we like it or not."
Emma: "There are too many super-beings -- mutants and otherwise -- People have begun to realize their value. The person, group, corporation -- country -- that possesses them . . . has an incalculable advantage over those that don't. We used to be hated, now we're desired -- and for the same reason, because we are different from humanity. We have abilities homo sapiens does not. They still fear us -- that will never change -- but now they wish to use us. And they'll do whatever they must to persuade us to obey . . . You must choose whether you wish to be ruler -- or slave."
Kitty: "All I want is to be left alone, to live my life in peace, is that too much to ask?!!"
Emma: "You lost that option . . . the moment you were born. If you wish true freedom, Katherine, end your life. The grave is a mutant's only lasting sanctuary. If you will not join the Hellfire Club willingly, you will be forced. The choice, as always, is yours."

This reminds me how immigrants are considered by rich countries: the high-skilled ones are accepted, wanted… the ones who just seek a better life, frowned upon…
If it's true that Krakoa is an asylum for all mutants, some mutants are much valued than others by those who have the power, they have an utilitarian value.
Shouldn't the status of a mutant be written in the “constitution of Krakoa” rather than being discussed? And if the mutant had a value just by being himself, why shouldn't it be the case of a human, without powers for Krakoa?

[lowfyr]

I think part of the problem is that they have just started this and are handling some stuff on the go.

Other thing is that Hickman is not making the mistake of showing this as a perfect utopia, but as a more realistic and grey way.

[Veitha]

I think part of the problem is that they have just started this and are handling some stuff on the go.

Other thing is that Hickman is not making the mistake of showing this as a perfect utopia, but as a more realistic and grey way.

Exactly. It takes time to build a nation, and Krakoa isn't even 1 year old.

[Steel Inquisitor]

Exactly. It takes time to build a nation, and Krakoa isn't even 1 year old.

As excuses go for Krakao's "decisions" it's a poor one. This would be more reasonable if the politicians involved had no experience in nation building or have members which don't have access to easy resources or personnel and the are a third world country. None of these examples apply to Krakoa. What makes it impressive is that it reached first world status within that year and is a country which has been able to overcome natural logical barriers through Krakoa and Shi'Ar technology, they're not the little guy they're the new world leader on the block. On Krakoa they're no longer the oppressed they're the establishment.

It's incredibly strange how their leader, Xavier, has its educational system as an afterthought despite the fact we know they have a fairly large population of children they're looking after and the next generations are supposed to be a priority due to Moira's knowledge. And that fact the government is openly pursuing corruption rather then preventing it, as in th case with Shaw. They want him to do what he's doing, that's his job!

The excuses are wearing thin. When will it be take for Krakoa to take responsibility for their own terrible decisions, because it looks like never.

[Veitha]

As excuses go for Krakao's "decisions" it's a poor one. This would be more reasonable if the politicians involved had no experience in nation building or have members which don't have access to easy resources or personnel and the are a third world country. None of these examples apply to Krakoa. What makes it impressive is that it reached first world status within that year and is a country which has been able to overcome natural logical barriers through Krakoa and Shi'Ar technology, they're not the little guy they're the new world leader on the block. On Krakoa they're no longer the oppressed they're the establishment.

It's incredibly strange how their leader, Xavier, has its educational system as an afterthought despite the fact we know they have a fairly large population of children they're looking after and the next generations are supposed to be a priority due to Moira's knowledge. And that fact the government is openly pursuing corruption rather then preventing it, as in th case with Shaw. They want him to do what he's doing, that's his job!

The excuses are wearing thin. When will it be take for Krakoa to take responsibility for their own terrible decisions, because it looks like never.

What excuse? Can you name a nation built in less than a year that had also reached this level of influence?

Plus they have established their education system in New Mutants and they don't have to do stuff like human societies. They have telepaths that can give you perfect knowledge and skills about stuff like language, maths and such.

The Council doesn't know Shaw killed Kate or is working close to Verendi.

A firm structure like the Council is needed at the beginning since they're still getting terrorist attacks and need to establish and work through pressing concerns. Democracy will probably come later as Emma said.

[Glio]

Xavier's Dream is the idealized and misinterpreted vision of Martin Luther King-style activism. There has always been a "See? This is how you have to do things, peacefully and without disturbing" campaign, but people forget that in his time MLK was considered the most dangerous person in the country by the FBI.

[Veitha]

Xavier's Dream is the idealized and misinterpreted vision of Martin Luther King-style activism. There has always been a "See? This is how you have to do things, peacefully and without disturbing" campaign, but people forget that in his time MLK was considered the most dangerous person in the country by the FBI.

His talk about white moderates is also interesting put in this context.

[Glio]

His talk about white moderates is also interesting put in this context.

MLK said things, completely correct, I clarify, that here would be considered "supremacist Krakoa like Magneto".

[Steel Inquisitor]

What excuse? Can you name a nation built in less than a year that had also reached this level of influence?

The fact they're a nation that's a year old was the excuse.

Plus they have established their education system in New Mutants and they don't have to do stuff like human societies. They have telepaths that can give you perfect knowledge and skills about stuff like language, maths and such.

What issue is this established in New Mutants?

The Council doesn't know Shaw killed Kate or is working close to Verendi.

They knew the risk just like with Sabretooth. They really shukndt' be surprised by these revelations occurring, it's why Emma was reluctant to let him in. I don't see Xavier being that bothered by him working with cartels - he let Apocalypse abuse Rogue in his schemes why would he care about Shaw doing that? He's fine working with Sinister to get what he wants so cartels should be nothing. Classic Xavier could be cold, but this is version is pure ice.

A firm structure like the Council is needed at the beginning since they're still getting terrorist attacks and need to establish and work through pressing concerns. Democracy will probably come later as Emma said.

They didn't need the Quiet Council, all they needed was an election. It's a relatively easy thing to when they have access to Omega level telepaths and a low population. Xavier and the rest of the Quiet Council aren't stupid, they're highly educated individuals and many of them have run nations before, like Magneto. That's why when Xavier told Emma that democracy will come later is complete bull. It's within their power to do that whenever they want and Emma just went along with it like it wasn't an important subject. Emma is anything but a pushover, but she is too Xavier far too much. Having terrorist attacks and assassinations is business as usual for the X-men and Brotherhood alike, this shouldn't phase them too much, if the comics were realistic they'd all have so much PTSD from the constant trauma they'd have trouble functioning.

His talk about white moderates is also interesting put in this context.

If that's what you think about Xavier why is it troubling that Krakoa isn't following this vision? Of course in context the problem won't be solved by anyone since it's a comic book which relies on the status quo being maintained. This isn't manga or a tv show where progress can permanent, it's an ongoing serial for a mega corporation who know the X-men being in an environment of being oppressed as they are make them money. And that nobody is going to solve racism or oppression in a comic book.

[Glio]

You speak of "it is unreal that the X-Men continue to be oppressed because the narrative cannot advance because of Marvel" as if racism does not continue to exist today after years and years of social struggles.

[Veitha]

I'm disengaging from this conversation, Steel. It's always the same old, accusations.

[Steel Inquisitor]

You speak of "it is unreal that the X-Men continue to be oppressed because the narrative cannot advance because of Marvel" as if racism does not continue to exist today after years and years of social struggles.

Of course racism exists today, what separates the X-men from us is that any writer they have can write about it being solved in their world and that's that. But since that'd kill the brand they won't do this. It's a comic book. It's a reflection of reality, not actual reality.

[Devaishwarya]

Xavier never represented MLK and the way his words get constantly whitewashed and sugarcoated to demonize not only the mutants’ actions but, in real life, black rights activists. Anyway Xavier sounds more like MLK every time he appears in this new Krakoa era

...because it bears reposting for those feigning deafness and blindness.

[People Of The Earth]

Not gonna lie but Pre-Morrison Cyclops didn't use to think the same and he even vouched on that.\

That's the Cyclops I know and love, not the revolutionary jerk we suffered under Bendis.

[Glio]

A change that the dominant system thinks is right is probably not even a change.

If you try to change the world and don't anger a few people, you're doing it wrong.