Was MJ Pregnant During "Clone Saga"?

[Hugo Strange]

Quesada also tossed in that bit about MJ saying they can't have children there...which specifically alters the Clone Saga and removes the pregnancy.

Somebody says Quesada it's possible to get pregnant without being married.

[Revolutionary_Jack]

Somebody says Quesada it's possible to get pregnant without being married.

There's a law in place at Marvel that forbids Peter having babymamas. Shooter spelled that out to Mantlo when he wanted to knock up Felicia while they were dating in the '80s. The various licenses they sold Spider-Man too have morality clauses attached that spell out they won't do that.

When Peter and MJ got married, pregnancy was theoretically okay from a morality perspective, albeit not from an editorial/writer issue since people had issues with Peter aging and so on.

The same way the marriage was okay from that perspective but not from another side.

[Mister Mets]

OMD is all about messed up storytelling (c'mon no one other than Big Red can save Aunt May) so I refuse to give them the benefit of the doubt lol.

With OMD, the likeliest explanation is that the people working on a rushed comic didn't consider the implications of a particular scene.

[Mister Mets]

Quesada also tossed in that bit about MJ saying they can't have children there...which specifically alters the Clone Saga and removes the pregnancy.

Not quite. If you're referring to Peter and MJ's conversation in One Moment in Time, MJ said she doesn't want to have kids with Peter Parker if he's active as Spider-Man.

In the Clone Saga, Peter retired as Spider-Man. So we could imagine the story going the same way.

It remains a Schrodinger's Cat situation. It hasn't been resolved either way, and that image from the History of the Marvel Universe doesn't resolve it either.

Somebody says Quesada it's possible to get pregnant without being married.

Peter and MJ wouldn't necessarily have a major reason to get married very quickly.

They're in social circles where having children out of wedlock is acceptable. Aunt May would be the one person who would care the most, but she was believed dead.

[Revolutionary_Jack]

Not quite. If you're referring to Peter and MJ's conversation in One Moment in Time, MJ said she doesn't want to have kids with Peter Parker if he's active as Spider-Man.

In the Clone Saga, Peter retired as Spider-Man. So we could imagine the story going the same way.

No. MJ conceives when Peter is active as Spidey. That famous issue with Sal Buscema’s cover with MJ announcing the news.

Peter only retires when he is convinced for a bit that Ben Reilly is a clone.

[Mister Mets]

No. MJ conceives when Peter is active as Spidey. That famous issue with Sal Buscema’s cover with MJ announcing the news.

Peter only retires when he is convinced for a bit that Ben Reilly is a clone.

Couples can conceive children without planning to do so.

[Celgress]

With OMD, the likeliest explanation is that the people working on a rushed comic didn't consider the implications of a particular scene.

OMD is a classic example of editorial interference, why it is bad and should always be avoided.

[Scott Taylor]

With OMD, the likeliest explanation is that the people working on a rushed comic didn't consider the implications of a particular scene.

Yes thats fair. Or they considered the implications and didn't care because the rest of story had too much going on to care about little details.

[jackolover]

One of the biggest questions left after OMD was whether or not MJ was pregnant during "Clone Saga" or if that was retconned out entirely. Marvel, since that story, has not explicitly said whether Baby May never existed in 616 (even before OMD). But I was reading History of the Marvel Universe #4 and came across this page:

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Now, the story is told plain as day. But look at MJ on the left as she's gripping her stomach. What does that mean? Javier Rodriguez wouldn't just draw this in without knowing what it looked like, unless Waid or Marvel told him to. Does this (seemingly) confirm that MJ was pregnant during "Clone Saga"? What are your thoughts?

Didn’t it infer MJ misscarried when we all thought the Goblin kidnapped the baby, but no, it wasn’t the baby, it was Aunt May that was kidnapped. That’s how I remember it. MJ misscarried the baby.

[shooshoomanjoe]

MJ gave birth. Period.

[Jman27]

There's a law in place at Marvel that forbids Peter having babymamas. Shooter spelled that out to Mantlo when he wanted to knock up Felicia while they were dating in the '80s. The various licenses they sold Spider-Man too have morality clauses attached that spell out they won't do that.

When Peter and MJ got married, pregnancy was theoretically okay from a morality perspective, albeit not from an editorial/writer issue since people had issues with Peter aging and so on.

The same way the marriage was okay from that perspective but not from another side.

black cat as his babymomma would be awesome

[Mister Mets]

Yes thats fair. Or they considered the implications and didn't care because the rest of story had too much going on to care about little details.

If they considered the implications, it should've been easy to change the scene to avoid it.

[Scott Taylor]

If they considered the implications, it should've been easy to change the scene to avoid it.

You agree that she looked sick to her stomach in the scene, though, right? What are the other implications besides pregnancy?

[Mister Mets]

You agree that she looked sick to her stomach in the scene, though, right? What are the other implications besides pregnancy?

Someone forced to choose between a loved one's life and a space demon taking away their marriage?

[Somecrazyaussie]

Couples can conceive children without planning to do so.

The pregnancy wasn't planned. It was just as much a shock for her as it was for Peter (Technically, she got pregnant when Defalco impressed the idea on the Spidey office to "up the stakes" and give Peter a solid reason to ride off into the sunset).