Are Countries violating international law by not letting mutants freely leave

[norj]

The countries that don't recognize Karoka never gave the X-men permission to plant gates on their soil and can argue that it is a volition of their sovereignty and threat to their national security.

[People Of The Earth]

the countries they are in? Like Mauraders for instance. While Russia did not take the deal for the drugs Krakoa has been recognized by the U.N as a whole as a legitimate country and mutants given amnesty and citizenship. So by blocking mutants from leaving for Krakoa or denying access to gates, countries who follow the law of the U.N be violating international law?

Russia, Brazil, and the other countries who are restraining the access from their respective portals to their own citizens - regardless of said citizens happening to be mutants - are violating international law, absolutely.
If the Kraked had been smart about this, they could have filed a case through the U.N., covering any future operations they might have had to go through in order to rescuing the mutants stranded in those places.
Because, as is, the Kraked leading illegal operations on the soil of those various countries (Russia, Brazil, etc), despite being barred from entering the territories from those countries, and without an express mandate from the U.N. allowing for such rescues, are also violating international law.
There's Nothing stopping Russia, Brazil and co to justify any coercive measures against Kraked and other mutants as a way, for them, to secure their territories from those.
Now, I know the stories are just starting and there's room to explore such issues, but so far it gives pause to see Xavier willing to play the political game to obtain the soverignity of his country, and then drop the ball on such day-to-day issues. The Marauders are not even masked while operating, some of them are very public figures known to be X-Men or former X-Men, or terrorists, and all of them are known to be de facto citizens of Krakoa. What happened in Russia alone is rife for causing an international incident.
I also Wonder if it's not better, for the mutants in those countries, with the access to their local gates being so heavily monitored and controlled, to "Simply" travel to another country that do not hold such policies and use the gates over there to reach Krakoa in the end.

[Chris0013]

The countries that don't recognize Karoka never gave the X-men permission to plant gates on their soil and can argue that it is a volition of their sovereignty and threat to their national security.

This...You have the mutants on Krakoa basically saying 'we are creating a way for our people...and only our people...to come and go from your country at any time we want in violation of your immigration laws, borders and sovereignty" and your are a racist if you are against it.

[jwatson]

Russia, Brazil, and the other countries who are restraining the access from their respective portals to their own citizens - regardless of said citizens happening to be mutants - are violating international law, absolutely.
If the Kraked had been smart about this, they could have filed a case through the U.N., covering any future operations they might have had to go through in order to rescuing the mutants stranded in those places.
Because, as is, the Kraked leading illegal operations on the soil of those various countries (Russia, Brazil, etc), despite being barred from entering the territories from those countries, and without an express mandate from the U.N. allowing for such rescues, are also violating international law.
There's Nothing stopping Russia, Brazil and co to justify any coercive measures against Kraked and other mutants as a way, for them, to secure their territories from those.
Now, I know the stories are just starting and there's room to explore such issues, but so far it gives pause to see Xavier willing to play the political game to obtain the soverignity of his country, and then drop the ball on such day-to-day issues. The Marauders are not even masked while operating, some of them are very public figures known to be X-Men or former X-Men, or terrorists, and all of them are known to be de facto citizens of Krakoa. What happened in Russia alone is rife for causing an international incident.
I also Wonder if it's not better, for the mutants in those countries, with the access to their local gates being so heavily monitored and controlled, to "Simply" travel to another country that do not hold such policies and use the gates over there to reach Krakoa in the end.

Mutants can't break the law right now though, at least not international law. They have temporary amnesty. Well they can break a law, but the amnesty is still in effect.

[jwatson]

Russia, Brazil, and the other countries who are restraining the access from their respective portals to their own citizens - regardless of said citizens happening to be mutants - are violating international law, absolutely.
If the Kraked had been smart about this, they could have filed a case through the U.N., covering any future operations they might have had to go through in order to rescuing the mutants stranded in those places.
Because, as is, the Kraked leading illegal operations on the soil of those various countries (Russia, Brazil, etc), despite being barred from entering the territories from those countries, and without an express mandate from the U.N. allowing for such rescues, are also violating international law.
There's Nothing stopping Russia, Brazil and co to justify any coercive measures against Kraked and other mutants as a way, for them, to secure their territories from those.
Now, I know the stories are just starting and there's room to explore such issues, but so far it gives pause to see Xavier willing to play the political game to obtain the soverignity of his country, and then drop the ball on such day-to-day issues. The Marauders are not even masked while operating, some of them are very public figures known to be X-Men or former X-Men, or terrorists, and all of them are known to be de facto citizens of Krakoa. What happened in Russia alone is rife for causing an international incident.
I also Wonder if it's not better, for the mutants in those countries, with the access to their local gates being so heavily monitored and controlled, to "Simply" travel to another country that do not hold such policies and use the gates over there to reach Krakoa in the end.

Russia and the U.S both have permanent seats on the U.N council meaning by sheer fact that the U.N passed the recognition Russia recognizes it unless Russia is planning on giving up their seat on the U.N council. They may not agree with letting their mutants go but they are still violating international law by holding people they agreed to recognize as citizens of another country hostage.

Remember they had the option to say no which would have stopped Karoka from becoming a nation but they abstained, thereby they agree by allowing the resolution to pass.

[loke13]

This...You have the mutants on Krakoa basically saying 'we are creating a way for our people...and only our people...to come and go from your country at any time we want in violation of your immigration laws, borders and sovereignty" and your are a racist if you are against it.

More like "you've been killing our people with impunity for decades and now that we've finally found a way for them to escape their own hell you're racist if you deny them that right."

[JasmineW]

What exactly is international law in the marvel universe?
Is there a textbook definition?

[Chris0013]

More like "you've been killing our people with impunity for decades and now that we've finally found a way for them to escape their own hell you're racist if you deny them that right."

Not saying the people refusing to let mutants leave are right...just talking about the law. Right and law aren't always the same thing.

But by putting these portals all over the world in sovereign countries the X-Men may be breaking the laws of those countries. If mutants want to go to Krakoa...they should do it the old fashioned way. By plane or boat.

As well...those countries have the right to say that if you emigrate to Krakoa you give up your citizenship.

[Londo Bellian]

Maybe the arrangement hashed out by Krakoa's diplomatic corner is that all mutants on Earth are automatically its citizens from the moment of birth, and that all Mutants/Krakoans can only have that one citizenship and hold no other. And that this supersedes all flatscan legalese because "Your New Gods say so" *TP whammy*.

[People Of The Earth]

Mutants can't break the law right now though, at least not international law. They have temporary amnesty. Well they can break a law, but the amnesty is still in effect.

Amnesty =/= Free pass to absolutely everything.
It means previous crimes and law-breaking acts are beind pardoned by the regime of Krakoa, and that any crimes and law-breaking acts from this point in time forward will be handled by Krakoa's justice system.
The Marauders were illegaly operating on russian soil: that's a violation of their sovereignity and they can demand reparation / act accordingly in response. Will Krakoa's regime trial the mutants who participated in that operation? The way they trialed Sabretooth after he committed the heinous acts against Damage Control security guards?
Personally, I Don't think they will, given the operation had the backing from at least three members of their governments (Frost, Xavier, Magneto), was financed by one of them through her business corporation (Frost), and didn't leave to any loss of life.

Russia and the U.S both have permanent seats on the U.N council meaning by sheer fact that the U.N passed the recognition Russia recognizes it unless Russia is planning on giving up their seat on the U.N council. They may not agree with letting their mutants go but they are still violating international law by holding people they agreed to recognize as citizens of another country hostage.

Remember they had the option to say no which would have stopped Karoka from becoming a nation but they abstained, thereby they agree by allowing the resolution to pass.

Please, actually read my post before answering, my first sentence is litterally that Russia is, alongside others, breaking international law…

[JKtheMac]

But they went through the U.N. So it doesn't matter how different the law is. If the U.N recognizes krakoa as a nation and made a resolution all mutants are citizens. IN any world how can you illegally hold the recognized citizens. I mean you can but surely the U.N would have to try to enforce it some how. Otherwise what is the point of the U.N. Also there may be aliens and robots but we haven't seen them go to the U.N and make the same sort of deal.

You must be aware this question gets asked all the time in the real world.

[norj]

Sometimes it seems like the people on this forum put more thought into the story than the writers.

[LordUltimus]

Considering the current political climate, shouldn't countries be desperately trying to force mutants to join Krakoa, just so that they don't have to deal with them anymore?

[norj]

Considering the current political climate, shouldn't countries be desperately trying to force mutants to join Krakoa, just so that they don't have to deal with them anymore?

Not every person or country would view mutants the same way, some would hate them and want to kill them all, some would want to get rid of them, some would see them as fellow human beings entitled to the same rights as all their other citizens, others as a valuable resource/powerful weapon that they can't risk losing to anyone else.

[People Of The Earth]

Not every person or country would view mutants the same way, some would hate them and want to kill them all, some would want to get rid of them, some would see them as fellow human beings entitled to the same rights as all their other citizens, others as a valuable resource/powerful weapon that they can't risk losing to anyone else.

All good points a writer should be able to convey I'm sure, without resorting to caricature or have characters change widly in-universe.

There's Nothing more jarring than seeing a character pull a 180° like Pryde seems to be doing here...




Though Duggan is good imo, it's pretty obvious he's willingly ignoring Guggenheim's Kitty and most of his take on her.
It's the same character only in name on those panels.