'Superman & Lois' in development at the CW

[Vordan]

http://www.kryptonsite.com/exclusive...superman-lois/

KryptonSite has exclusive confirmation from the studio and network that Daniel Cudmore, best known to comic book fans as Colossus, the strongest member of the X-Men team in several films of that franchise, has landed the mysterious role of “Subjekt-11.”

Damn are they going to end up bringing in Subjekt-17 from Busiek’s Superman run? Dispenser will love that happening. Looks like those of us who hoped to see the more obscure Superman villains are going to be happy! Now they just need to bring in Metallo, Xa-Du, or Nimrod and I’ll be happy as hell.

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Den of Geek cover.

I wish I was still at my old library so I could read this for free, they were really good at getting periodical magazines.

[Yoda]

I wish I was still at my old library so I could read this for free, they were really good at getting periodical magazines.

It is a free quarterly magazine with this being the launch issue. If you sign up they'll mail it to you for free.

[Vordan]

It is a free quarterly magazine with this being the launch issue. If you sign up they'll mail it to you for free.

...damn I feel foolish now for never realizing that. Thanks!

[Quinlan58]

Possibly getting Subjekt-17? Now that'd sure make me very happy.

[Frontier]

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Probably the most common Lois and Clark pose.

[Dispenser Of Truth]

Yeah I don’t agree with Dispenser’s take that this show is going to be a big definitive thing. The DCEU failures and the video games are unfortunately going to continue to have a much greater impact on how people view Superman.

I don't think it'll be definitive - it's still a CW show and we already know it's got behind-the-scenes problems. But as probably his main mass-media presence for at least the next I'd guess 5 years or so, with a great lead, apparently a solid budget, a far better grasp on the character than any previous TV or movie take going by the pilot script, and a network primetime number of eyes on it (even if that doesn't mean as much as it used to), I do think its impact on the character is going to be more substantial than a lot of folks are registering without necessarily being some unlikely masterpi-

Damn are they going to end up bringing in Subjekt-17 from Busiek’s Superman run?

Nevermind, 10/10, the great Superman work of a generation in the making.

[Robanker]

Busiek getting some love does raise my interest in this. Please be good!

[Dispenser Of Truth]

Busiek getting some love does raise my interest in this. Please be good!

I'm pretty sure they took a look at Secret Identity between the family stuff in there and the pastoral look this is trying to evoke, so not entirely surprising they looked at Busiek's less-known Superman work too.

What immediately strikes me is I and a few others have been side-eying General Lane as a major ally in the series and apparently borderline Superman's "guy in the chair", especially when one of Supergirl's good early moves with him was to establish that he refused to work with the government in the same way as her. But it's hard to imagine given that they're both present that Lane WON'T be tied to Subjekt and his imprisonment, which suggests there's gonna be a whole lot more to that dynamic and how it'll develop than Clark being perfectly comfy-cozy with the military-industrial complex.

[Vordan]

God I hope this pushes DC to either put out an omnibus or a bunch of OHCs of Busiek and Johns Pre-FP Superman work. That was a really great period for Superman, probably the last time every corner of the Superverse was doing great.

And oh man, given that apparently this show is going to focus on the death of the American small town at the hands of big businesses (with Morgan Edge showing up!), and that they already used Mxy for Kara, imagine if this guy showed up:


Superman fighting to save his family, his hometown, and himself from the Devil would be freaking perfect.

[Nelliebly]

Probably the most common Lois and Clark pose.

I would categorize it as iconic rather than common. As a friend just shared elsewhere, it evokes both strength, drama and romance. It’s a good pose.

They look hot. LOL

[phantom1592]

Agreed, but the CW is notoriously weak at pretty much everything. As much as I think they've been an invaluable tool for keeping the DC characters going in live action while the DCEU floundered around trying to figure out what it was going to be, those shows have suffered from every imaginable weakness that weekly TV shows can have, from mediocre scripts with bad characterization and plotting to under funded SFX and behind the scenes problems with actors and producers.

The CW has been a real smorgasbord of subpar superhero TV as far back as Smallville. And yet we keep hoping and giving them another chance because, every once and awhile, they absolutely stick the landing and deliver some great stuff.

But I think the real question is... what are you comparing it to?

Flash 1990? Birds of Prey? Nightman, Mantis, Incredible Hulk? Greatest American hero? Lois and Clark? Most of these never even hit a second season and all them have mediocre scripts and bad SFX. CW has a lot of flaws... but that's just the nature of Superheroes on Television regardless of the network airing it. Comic books have always had a serious soap-opera vibe to them. A comic book show without that would be pretty empty.

What even is 'par' for a Super hero show?? What's the standard?

[Vordan]

But I think the real question is... what are you comparing it to?

Flash 1990? Birds of Prey? Nightman, Mantis, Incredible Hulk? Greatest American hero? Lois and Clark? Most of these never even hit a second season and all them have mediocre scripts and bad SFX. CW has a lot of flaws... but that's just the nature of Superheroes on Television regardless of the network airing it. Comic books have always had a serious soap-opera vibe to them. A comic book show without that would be pretty empty.

What even is 'par' for a Super hero show?? What's the standard?

The “best” of the superhero TV shows would be The Flash S1 and Daredevil S1 imo. That’s the bar. I also loved Smallville a lot but I’ll freely admit it was far too uneven to be called “great”.

[Frontier]

The “best” of the superhero TV shows would be The Flash S1 and Daredevil S1 imo. That’s the bar. I also loved Smallville a lot but I’ll freely admit it was far too uneven to be called “great”.

I'd throw Stargirl season 1 in there.

[Celgress]

I'd throw Stargirl season 1 in there.

As would I.

[GSman]

I'd throw Stargirl season 1 in there.

I might also throw in Arrow season 2. That was the show at it's absolute best, telling its best story with it's best villain. It's just a shame they couldn't maintain that type of quality through the series.