Do we know when exactly Moira and Xavier had their big talk?

[Tycon]

It is now canon that Xavier came up with the premise of this series by looking at birds.

Xavier’s first codenames for Warren and Jean were respectively Birdman and Birdgirl.

[pkingdom]

Yeah, this is my main issue with the whole Moira 're-contextualisation'; it really makes the two of them seem so sociopathic in hind-sight. Well...ok, Charles more-so, let's be honest.

That's kind of my problem too. Its a catch-22 situation. Either she and Xavier knew about all things things that happened and allowed, or even helped cause(!) them to happen to put mutantkind in this position, or they had no idea; in which case her lives had to be so different with so many potential differences and outcomes as to undercut her whole "Everything is hopeless and this is the only way" speech

[pkingdom]

Adding to that, do we know when Xavier convinced Magneto to join him? Because if that was also early on that really throws a lot of what Magneto has done into question.

[Glio]

The funny thing is that for the Five's plan the only component missing was a reality warper.

That means that in previous lives Elixir, Goldballs, Tempus and Hope existed, or at least mutants of very similar powers. Goldballs, Tempus and Hope have their powers as a direct or indirect result of House of M.

[HeartofTheStoriesWeTell]

The funny thing is that for the Five's plan the only component missing was a reality warper.

That means that in previous lives Elixir, Goldballs, Tempus and Hope existed, or at least mutants of very similar powers. Goldballs, Tempus and Hope have their powers as a direct or indirect result of House of M.

If there was no house of m they may have still been mutants

[gambitxremy]

I also think they let certain events play out (such as decimation, messiah trilogy, AvX) to ensure the creation of Hope, Tempus, and goldballs, who Xavier needed for the revival plan.

Holy cow that’s brilliant

[PeterParked]

The funny thing is that for the Five's plan the only component missing was a reality warper.

That means that in previous lives Elixir, Goldballs, Tempus and Hope existed, or at least mutants of very similar powers. Goldballs, Tempus and Hope have their powers as a direct or indirect result of House of M.

I don’t think so. We don’t know if there was a way to resurrect mutants in previous Moira’s life. Between all the powers needed, the agreement with sinister, beast and forge work with the technology, the role of Krakoa, it’s a lot of moving pieces. The way I read the story, Moria knows and tell Xavier and Magneto that a lot of mutants will die, in a way or another, and they start to take measures to eventually resurrect them (saving their conscience it’s the first step, but it did not imply they already knew what the other step would have been). After all, Moira knows she failed in the past so I really doubt she is recreating a copy of a reality that didn’t work for mutants, many of things are new, otherwise other lives would already have Krakoa state, resurrection of mutants etc, and failed so what’s the point. Also making Hiuse of M or other events happen does not ensure the existence of the needed mutants, if their parents don’t meet, have intercourse at the exact time and thousands other variables some of these mutants could even not exist at all.

[David Walton]

Adding to that, do we know when Xavier convinced Magneto to join him? Because if that was also early on that really throws a lot of what Magneto has done into question.

I'm guessing post UXM 150, pre UXM 200. After Magneto ran off because he thought he'd killed Kitty Pryde and before his trial. Really just provides additional context for Magneto reconciling with Xavier and agreeing to be headmaster of the school.

[gambitxremy]

I'm guessing post UXM 150, pre UXM 200. After Magneto ran off because he thought he'd killed Kitty Pryde and before his trial. Really just provides additional context for Magneto reconciling with Xavier and agreeing to be headmaster of the school.

This all happened before x-men #1

[captain Qball]

I don't think that's the case. Moira can't see the future and all those events seem unique to her current life.
I hope they don't make Moira an all-knowing character that has the foresight to manipulate future events like that. Might as well have a precog in her role then.

Life 4 specifically showed the phoenix 5, implying avx happened in a similar fashion. It's not impossible to imagine Hope, Eva, and Fabio came about in that timeline. Upon reading her lives, Charles realized their potential.

[David Walton]

This all happened before x-men #1

Xavier's conversation with Moira did. Just going by the context, Magneto seems to have been brought in years later. I don't have the issue in front of me, but if memory serves, they approached Magneto on his island base. The one he was utilizing post UXM 150, pre UXM 200.

[pkingdom]

Life 4 specifically showed the phoenix 5, implying avx happened in a similar fashion. It's not impossible to imagine Hope, Eva, and Fabio came about in that timeline. Upon reading her lives, Charles realized their potential.

So her lives did at least have some of the same stuff happen in them. She and Xavier just choose to let them happen to further their own ends. I can't imagine that going over well with some of the others.

[David Walton]

So her lives did at least have some of the same stuff happen in them. She and Xavier just choose to let them happen to further their own ends. I can't imagine that going over well with some of the others.

She says in her journal that she didn't let Xavier read her mind in its entirety. There are presumably events from her various lives that Xavier isn't aware of, which is why he acts as though it's new to him. Because most of it is, even if he knows the broad strokes.

But it will definitely not go over well when other Krakoans discover the secrets Xavier, Magneto and Moira have bene keeping from them.