World War X

[capandkirby]

My issue is that Hank is lumping the Avengers in with actual pro-human groups that want to destroy the X-Men. Even if you think the mutants haven't gotten much help from the Avengers in the past, the Avengers don't want to reign death down on Krakoa or anything. They are potentially powerful allies. And instead, Hank is just treating his former friends as enemies.

Excellent point. I mean, I got caught up on the sheer creepiness factor of recording people without their consent, and the moral shadiness of it, but there's this, too. Hank is pretty much taken a group who have, on panel, declared themselves to be outside of world politics, and is committing an act against them that could very well be taken as a declaration of war.

The Avengers are using Celestial technology these days though, so I'm not too worried that Hank is going to be successful with his little porn cam endeavor.

[Rosebunse]

Excellent point. I mean, I got caught up on the sheer creepiness factor of recording people without their consent, and the moral shadiness of it, but there's this, too. Hank is pretty much taken a group who have, on panel, declared themselves to be outside of world politics, and is committing an act against them that could very well be taken as a declaration of war.

The Avengers are using Celestial technology these days though, so I'm not too worried that Hank is going to be successful with his little porn cam endeavor.

The scheme is more that he wants to replace an item with one that is designed to absorb sound waves. This would be easier than one that records video and it could, in theory, bypass a lot of security protocols since it isn't electrical or digital and it doesn't even have a real signal.

[capandkirby]

The scheme is more that he wants to replace an item with one that is designed to absorb sound waves. This would be easier than one that records video and it could, in theory, bypass a lot of security protocols since it isn't electrical or digital and it doesn't even have a real signal.

Ugh, still really, really gross and invasive. T'Challa will undoubtedly not be pleased in the slightest. I certainly wouldn't.

[BroHomo]

My issue is that Hank is lumping the Avengers in with actual pro-human groups that want to destroy the X-Men. Even if you think the mutants haven't gotten much help from the Avengers in the past, the Avengers don't want to reign death down on Krakoa or anything. They are potentially powerful allies. And instead, Hank is just treating his former friends as enemies.

Hmmm well Considering how Orchis created weapons like Nimrod and other anti Mutant weapons keeping an ear out seems like the smartest thing to do

Excellent point. I mean, I got caught up on the sheer creepiness factor of recording people without their consent, and the moral shadiness of it, but there's this, too. Hank is pretty much taken a group who have, on panel, declared themselves to be outside of world politics, and is committing an act against them that could very well be taken as a declaration of war..

After AvX the Avengers should be monitored to keep Mutant interests intact.

[capandkirby]

Hmmm well Considering how Orchis created weapons like Nimrod and other anti Mutant weapons keeping an ear out seems like the smartest thing to do

After AvX the Avengers should be monitored to keep Mutant interests intact.

No one should be monitored, point-blank, period. Because it is an invasion of privacy. Wrong is wrong. I don't care which side of AvX you stood on, doesn't matter.

Marvel already addressed the Patriot Act and it's propensity to profile, and treat people inhumanely while also violating their civil rights in the Civil War event, and the X-Men are heading down that same slippery slope. Surveiling people, making them register, same difference, it all assumes guilt before innocence.

The rights of the X-Men to security does not supersede the rights of the Avengers to privacy.

[Rosebunse]

The thing is, if the Avengers did this to the X-Men, the X-boards would be up with literal torches and pitchforks and ready to burn the Avengers offices to the ground.

[Hybrid]

No they were stealing the schematics on Mutant Genocide machines devised from Stsrk and Reed's designs in order to destroy it thus preventing another Genosha and the machines eventually turning on humanity

Because a few of you reeeeeeally like AvX??

That got people killed, and they gave Sabretooth amnesty for being a mutant. I'm aware he was punished separately, but that's another matter. You can see how Reed is not at all on board with giving innocent people amnesty just for being mutants, which made me wonder why people thought Krakoa would be so chummy with him.

Also, just about everyone predicts this is leading to World War X. It's pretty damn obvious I'd say. Also, it has nothing to do with that awful AvX event.

I mean, for crying out loud, Sue gave an anti-segregation speech during their fight with the mutants. I don't believe she was written as being in the wrong.

[Hybrid]

So I thought about the masking device more, and there’s another possibility:

What if it’s developed further to not only prevent mutants from entering the portals, but to trick the portals into allowing non-mutants inside?

The context gave me the impression that Reed built that device in his spare time, which means it could probably be upgraded with more time spent on it. Even if Reed doesn’t do it, at least not for nefarious reasons, it’s not hard to imagine people like ORCHIS or Doctor Doom would do that and begin attacks on the nation. This would do a lot in escalating tensions, and potentially lead to the hypothetical World War X.

What do you guys think of this?

[BroHomo]

The thing is, if the Avengers did this to the X-Men, the X-boards would be up with literal torches and pitchforks and ready to burn the Avengers offices to the ground.

Well Wolverine is still on KraKoa....

[Rosebunse]

What do you guys think of this?

I think this needs to happen, if only because right now, the X-Men are too OP for this event to work. Even if you take every nonmutant cape and pit them against Krakoa, Krakoa just has too many omega level mutants and too many mutants in general.

Also, it's interesting that powerful mutants like Legion and Mister X are nowhere to be seen.

[Cmbmool]

I think this needs to happen, if only because right now, the X-Men are too OP for this event to work. Even if you take every nonmutant cape and pit them against Krakoa, Krakoa just has too many omega level mutants and too many mutants in general.

Also, it's interesting that powerful mutants like Legion and Mister X are nowhere to be seen.

Well the X-men are required to have a few more wildcards in their corner in case it gets out of hand and a certain gamma green someone smashed the place down.

[Snoop Dogg]

let beast live, he just wants some avengers asmr, steve's tired pants after training hnnnnnnnng

[Huntsman Spider]

let beast live, he just wants some avengers asmr, steve's tired pants after training hnnnnnnnng

Way to inject some humor into this situation, Snoop. I also like your signature. It's very on-point. On topic, though, it is harrowing to see mutants treating everyone not them as the enemy, but at the same time, this is the lesson they've learned from humanity at large. As far as humans are concerned, mutants are and have always been an existential threat, and now mutants are ready to be that existential threat after years of being treated as such. On the subject of the Avengers, well, they've always been champions of humanity as a whole, even though they're not affiliated with any one human government these days or in a long time, so even if they have disagreements with those governments, they'll still protect humans in general first. That's what motivates the animosity toward them from Krakoa, since the same humans protected by the Avengers have felt near-total impunity in persecuting and trying to wipe mutants out all these years, so from the mutants' viewpoint, the Avengers are, in their own way, just as guilty. Not entirely right, but still.

[Rosebunse]

Well the X-men are required to have a few more wildcards in their corner in case it gets out of hand and a certain gamma green someone smashed the place down.

Actually, good point, we also have Bruce and his myriad personality to deal with.

[ARkadelphia]

Simon needs to end his pacifist ways by smacking Beast around a bit