As you can see here, Reed is very much against the idea of letting mutant criminals like Sabretooth have amnesty and getting off scot free just for being mutants. The fact that they succeeded in freeing Sabretooth (to a different punishment but not publicly known), and are using mutants to commit crimes for their gain at the expense of everyone else, definitely won't sit well either. Also, yeah them withholding resurrection from everyone, and are using it on not just mutants but mutant supervillains, will create issues too once people learn of it. If it's not with Reed, it will be for others.
Also, his son being a mutant doesn't say as much considering that he's a mutant aligned with humans. I'll have to adjust my prediction later depending on how X-Men/FF goes, but assuming he stays with the Fantastic Four... that's going to have major ramifications. Also, his daughter is human, so what about her future? What about everyone else's future? Xavier and the others are pretty direct that they're calling out everyone who isn't a mutant, regardless of their stance on them.
Here's a fact that a lot of X-fans refuse of accept: Krakoa isn't portrayed as some unambiguously good thing. It's actually portrayed as a morally gray area, one that's creating bad things with the good. This is very much intentional, and it's interesting to see unfold, but it's not like everything is sunshine and rainbows between Krakoans and the rest of the world. There's a reason most people speculate this World War X event.
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Seeing that there discussions About Krakoa not being so nice on the x-men board, so I do not think it so clear cut as you say. And yes that Hickmann is having a plan with Sinister Shaw and Apocalypse on the Council should be obvious.
Seeing that we got decades of the US goverment alone working against mutants(MRA being just one example) again and again, mutants wanting to get their own state and being able to defend themselves is the only Option they have.
Sabretooth was stealing information about the Weapons of Mass Mutant Destruction being worked on....like the what was on the ORCHIS space station. Weapons built from the technology Richards and Stark irresponsibly create.Noooot sure how mad he could get about that. Unless Reed doesn't wanna look dumb
What? Who are the X-Men calling out? How? Theres been Zero mention of his daughter or the prematurely ending anyone's future in the X-Book.
Reed doesn't seem like good person let alone a good father. (Im legit curious how people are getting this vibe) He's worried about his daughters future, and what Sabretooth is doing meanwhile.....
Hes cool with the Dude who tortured him, his wife and his son in front of his daughter run a whole country??? While the Bonfire parties and Mutants not trying die anymore is pissing people
Get your priorities straight Stretch.
Dude, Of course KraKoa isn't unambiguously good, It's def not this biiiiig Evil conspiracy lol. What would be the point of reading the book if everything was copacetic?
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1. Don't see the 'bad things' its creating.
2. The only "most people" Ive seen speculate this World War X is gonna be a thing are 6 or 7 people on message boards with a mad on for KraKoa to be revealed as this great evil.
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Considering the current political climate, I don't think a group of unelected men, most of whom are billionaires and have never known want a day in their life (and even though some of them have lost their fortunes, they always, without fail, easily make them back), making decisions for everybody and running things behind the scenes would be an easy sell, they would be killing the reputations of those characters. Marvel got away with it in the early 2000's because you had the Ultimates line, which made the Illuminati look like fluffy bunnies by comparison, and because Amazon and Walmart weren't the behemoths they are now, putting everybody out of business while their employees are so underpaid some of them need government assistance just to eat. And of course, they got away with it because it was pre-Trump.
Moreover, after Time Runs Out, were the Illuminati to form again, it would look really bad for those characters considering all that happened there.
Nowadays it would be really, really hard to write such a group as intriguing instead of narcissistic and out-of-touch. That's a very, very fine line a writer would have to walk.
That's a good point. Bringing back the Illuminati, especially to have them set against a long-persecuted and marginalized in-universe minority group that has finally had enough of it and is collectively fighting back, would be a very bad look these days.
Also, having the likes of Reed Richards and Iron Man hooked up with ORCHIS would just give more ammunition to some X-Fans who think the rest of the MU, even members of the superhero community, is out to undermine and destroy the X-Men/mutants. Not helping that perception is how the nonmutant heroes have been generally far too reluctant to openly or explicitly address or push back against anti-mutant bigotry and violence by the society they protect and the government(s) with which they often cooperate, so it's very easy for some people to get the impression that they don't care what happens to their erstwhile mutant allies and comrades. After all, as was said by Martin Luther King, Jr., "There comes a time, when silence . . . is betrayal," and indeed, when you remain silent in the face of injustice and oppression, you have already chosen a side, the side of the oppressor and the unjust, even if only by default.
On that note, Xavier's speech in the last of House of X or Powers of X was indeed also an indictment of fair-weather "friends" like the Avengers and Fantastic Four, who stood by and said and did nothing as mutants were being hunted and driven to extinction again and again. For Iron Man and Reed to then cooperate or collude with the likes of ORCHIS would just be a confirmation of the X-Men's/X-Fans' darkest fears regarding everyone not a mutant. Who would seriously want that? It would be a permanent polarization of the Marvel fandom the likes of which even the Civil Wars and their aftermaths couldn't achieve, and we would all --- fans and pros alike --- be poorer for that, in my view.
The spider is always on the hunt.
To be clear if Iron man wanted the mutants dead they would be dead. Iron man has used nanotech armor in the past that would make Nimroid look like vintage. And richards literally could overwrite anything in the universe when he recreated it in Secret wars.
And the fact that Orchis had to use technology taken by Damage control instead of aking the real deal to Stark and Richards i think is prove enough that they arent anti mutant. Can you imagine Tony giving them Iron man level technology and developing them another dimension with the help of Reed? Krakoa wouldnt have seen coming.
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Point, though the absence of overt malice toward mutants on the other heroes' parts is cold comfort in the face of their (editorially mandated, I understand) inability or unwillingness to engage (more often, in light of the Avengers Unity Squad) with humanity on behalf of their erstwhile mutant allies and comrades.
The spider is always on the hunt.
I think there are lots of people on the X-Boards who think Krakoa isn't exactly a good idea, but they get sort of drowned out by the people who think it's great.
For me, I just don't really believe in isolationism and I believe that part of the point of Krakoa is that the mutants are just perpetuating the standard world order, where one bunch of people are in control and everyone else just suffers under them. The attitude most of the X-Men now have towards humanity is condescending smugness, which just seems so out of character. Are these not people who fought and died so that they could call themselves human beings? And now it's a dirty word? Plus, as we see in the solicitation for an upcoming Deadpool issue, what about all the other marginalized groups in the MU? What about the monsters and the remaining Inhumans? Is it right that they are kept out of Krakoa even though the human world isn't too kind to them?
Now, I am loving what Hickman and company are doing, even if it creeps me out and makes me feel uncomfortable. It's what needed to be done.
Agreed on the last part, especially given that from their perspective, all their fighting to be seen, acknowledged, respected, and accepted as fellow human beings did nothing to stop those same human beings they once wished to be accepted by from continuing to hate them and actively seek or passively tolerate their destruction. It's creepy and discomforting, yes, but it's also a wakeup call to humanity and its superhuman champions and defenders that mutants won't tolerate the dehumanization, exploitation, and oppression they've experienced for years at human hands any longer. It was a long time coming, and it did need to be done.
The spider is always on the hunt.
They could at least speak out against it. Leverage their comparatively more positive reception with the public to openly challenge anti-mutant bigotry whenever and wherever possible. Of course, I blame the lack of that more on Marvel editorial basically determining, "X-Men problems must be solved by X-Men," which pretty much made something like the Avengers Unity Squad a toothless exercise.
The spider is always on the hunt.
they have spoken in the past. in the 90s the avengers were againts the use of Sentinels in war zones, Sue and Reed adopted some Morlocks in their Family. Its not like the mutant oppresion is an open legal thing, until rosemberg run they didnt have direct laws against them, just shadow agencies . And the rosemberg run wasnt also bad per se if you see the context, the world suffered a 11-S like attack by the hands of a mutant and the goverment had a way to eliminate the threat without killing millions. The mutant kind digged their own grave in that sense after AvsX, after all this time preaching tolerance the moment they have the upper hand they proclame themselves supreme rulers of the world them something doesnt work.