One of the reasons SM is my favorite superhero is him values!! I agree with what Sm was saying!! He can't stand there and let someone fall to their death. No matter what might happen in the future!
Yes, clark is responsible. 20 people trumps one person
No, he isn't. Deaths are unfortunate.
I don't know. I am either confused or really, don't have an opinion
One of the reasons SM is my favorite superhero is him values!! I agree with what Sm was saying!! He can't stand there and let someone fall to their death. No matter what might happen in the future!
This is akin to Batman simply not killing the Joker, who he knows will ultimately kill dozens and dozens of more people before it's all said and done.
With Batman, it's a bit different because if he kills Joker he loses a classic villain, so they throw morality out as a means as to why he won't do it.
With Superman, even if he knew saving a baby would mean that baby would grow up to become a mass murderer or something, he would still save that baby or whatever it was, and then just fight to save all those other people the baby or whatever may wind up killing. That's just who Superman is.
Sure, i am not advocating for telling same stories over and over again. Taking same steps over and over to get the same outcome is literally telling the same story . Then again it's comics. Also, i don't view things that helps people that grow and become better as person "bad" or "negative", entirely . The events themselves might be that. but we make something good from it then it's not so bad, right? And Not every lesson needs pain. But, essential ones do.
Sorry for the late reply.
it's not that simple. Death is part of life. It can even be a rule or a chain. Clark is a character that breaks the rule or chain for just causes. So, ofcourse he will have his battles with death itself.i mean, the guy literally came back from it. He might not always win. The one you provided of deaths of parents is such an occasion. But he will fight. He will find new ways for humanity to advance. That's what Superman is about. Morality of that is for everyone to decide. But, he does it.
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These are the moments that brings out "the human" in characters. Its failure is worth something. It teaches the value of victory. All might ftw!! I seriously want a goldenage take on Superman to be popular again.
I voted No, he is not responsible. He does the best he can, which isn't always easy, but he does it any way because it's the right thing to do. But Clark isn't an omnipotent God who can be everywhere all the time. Heck, not even God (if you believe in him) saves everybody. He still let's a lot of people die, good one or bad ones, for whatever reason. Some say it's part of his plan. Superman isn't God, and he still needs to have a personal life for his mental sanity. Also, Superman isn't real.
BTW, that's some interesting writing. What story is it? Love philosophical and moral stories like that.
Reminds me of this scene from The Justice League of China comics.Capture.jpg
Man!did this become a topic in the new tom king book. Clark either killed the alien who want to be put out of his misery for saving a girl. Or he didn't for his own morality. Darkseid and superman really does have this chemistry. It is freaking. awesome. King's superman is a treat.First the boxing match.Then the race. Now this. I wish he would do more.
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I think Superman will do what needs to be done to save the day and help the most people, even if that means taking on the burden.
THAT SAID, I think putting the character in a narrative where he needs to kill is really unfair. Superman is not the character to explore those questions with.
What's the point of character taking moral positions if its not challenged? Take under the redhood. Why is it great? Because bruce gets questioned. The problem isn't if he kills or not. Either will have consequences .but the Problem is whether or not they should. Moral positions have its limits. Clark should be asked complicated questions, in story. For example, what right does a vigilante have to talk about justice? What right does journalist who lies and tries to hide his vigilante activities using his position of power have of talking about truth and against corruption?
If clark goes toe to toe with doomsday. He cannot always control the outcome. There will be casualties including himself . He shouldn't always break that chain. That was my position .
Clark can be complex as bruce or peter Even more so.
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Me too. King's run has been really interesting putting Superman on situations where he can't win just with Superpowers, but where he is being challengend in his most profund beliefs. That kind of situation must be adressed more often.
I like how you think on this, manwhohaseverything. I don't agree with you in other matters, but here, we are in the same page.
"Never assign to malice what is adequately explained by stupidity or ignorance."
"Great stories will always return to their original forms"
"Nobody is more dangerous than he who imagines himself pure in heart; for his purity, by definition, is unassailable." James Baldwin
The point is ALL Arion said just a possible future. It isn't a solid or irreversible facts. It basically was a classic trolley dilemma, It just avoiding any other solution by restricting the options.But in reality, There are virtually infinite possibilities which makes there will be much more than just two options
So yes, Supes did the right thing by refusing Arion's propose
And for the "If superman saves 1 person and fails 20. Does clark have any responsibility?" No He isn't responsible,Because he had failed to SAVE them" He saving people behavior is more conscience thing than responsibility
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