Scorsese explains why he thinks Marvel movies aren't cinema

[Farealmer]

So much of what is said in this thread reminds me of the OneTrueWayism and BadWrongFun gatekeeping of the Tabletop RPG community.

[Midvillian1322]

So much of what is said in this thread reminds me of the OneTrueWayism and BadWrongFun gatekeeping of the Tabletop RPG community.

Iono what that is but I assume there was a lot of people stating they're opinions as facts repetitively in that community?

[phonogram12]

Boseman makes a good point that some of it may be generational and racial. Just as black people will often see something as racist while a lot of white people are like, "What racism?", so older people may completely miss that a story is about huge conflict while a younger generation gets it because it's about their culture.

Six of one, half dozen of the other about the timing of Scorsese's comments. Just because he's a big name doesn't mean he's above a little self-promotion. Then again, maybe the interview took place because he has a movie coming out and he just took advantage to express his opinions.

It's quite common for older directors to express similar opinions. I was watching John Boorman's commentary on "Excalibur", a commentary done well before the MCU started, and he expressed his dislike of the new CGI era and mentioned that a fellow veteran director even went as far as to opine that it would be the death of "real" cinema. Incidentally, Boorman disagreed that it was that bad but still disliked the whole CGI phenomenon.

But, again, we get set in our ways and our opinions of how things should be. Among his generation, that sort of opinion is not uncommon. But again, the real deal for me is not whether he's right or not but that the majority of movies have always been designed for easy popular appeal.

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[Farealmer]

Iono what that is but I assume there was a lot of people stating they're opinions as facts repetitively in that community?

On a scale I didn't think had peer until I started seeing these kinds of threads pop up here.

[Jokerz79]

The difference is all gangster movies don’t follow and same formula and predicability as the MCU does.

Scorsese does guy becomes criminal, lives the high life, has a downfall, and leaves the life never regretting his past. Goodfellas is one of my favorite filmsbut there isn't diversity in the stories.

[Colossus1980]

There is no art: Disney/MCU

They just make money. It's all good.

[Theleviathan]

The difference is all gangster movies don’t follow and same formula and predicability as the MCU does.

Scorsese's do. He even uses the same actors. And never uses women or minorities. His movies are absolutely formulaic.

This complaint is about being butthurt people won't pay for his movies in theaters. Now he somehow wants to force theaters to only show his movie so people will pay for them. If that's not his end, he has no point or argument. Just griping.

[Powerboy]

read the full take from Chadwick , he is unbelievable to dare try and bring race to it. Martin scorsese is not a racist.



"He’s saying it at a time when he’s making a Netflix movie, so that’s how eyes get on his film and it’s not going to be in the cinemas," the actor continued. "It’s not going to be seen the best way. So, he is speaking to the time period. He is speaking also to his advantage…I did the first, you know, the superhero movie that was nominated for a [Best Picture] Oscar. I’m secure in that."

"The mystery that Scorsese is talking about, it’s in ‘Black Panther.’ And I think he funny thing about it is if he saw ‘Black Panther,’ he didn’t get that. He didn’t get that there was this feeling of being unsure. There was this feeling of not knowing what was gonna happy that Black people feel. Cause we never had a superhero like this before."

was Chadwick even born when scorsese directed Michael's Jackson BAD which was a short black cast film and was one of the few Black videos that made it to MTV when MTV were not playing black videos.

I am back on my chair. Chadwick is way off.

He didn't say Scorsese was a racist. He said one culture may overlook things that are highly relevant to another culture. Then again, Scorsese never specifically targeted "Black Panther". He was speaking of the MCU in general. Even he might have his exceptions.

[wjowski]

The entire argument of 'This is/is not true art' is pretentious at best and masturbatory at worst. Art is subjective.

[luprki]

They just make money. It's all good.

Yes, I agree. But it not art, it’s a product

[luprki]

Scorsese's do. He even uses the same actors. And never uses women or minorities. His movies are absolutely formulaic.

This complaint is about being butthurt people won't pay for his movies in theaters. Now he somehow wants to force theaters to only show his movie so people will pay for them. If that's not his end, he has no point or argument. Just griping.

He never said anything like that.

Why do anyone cares so much about Scorsese’s opinion? I don’t get why his opinion is taken so personal.

[luprki]

Scorsese does guy becomes criminal, lives the high life, has a downfall, and leaves the life never regretting his past. Goodfellas is one of my favorite filmsbut there isn't diversity in the stories.

If you seen Scorsese’s gangster movies- Goodfellas, The Departed, Casino and Mean Streets, you would know each of these movies are worlds apart in tone and formula.
The only thing they got in common is they are all unpredictable.

[Beaddle]

He didn't say Scorsese was a racist. He said one culture may overlook things that are highly relevant to another culture. Then again, Scorsese never specifically targeted "Black Panther". He was speaking of the MCU in general. Even he might have his exceptions.

He is stroking the card, race should not be mentioned. Bob Iger tried to pull this off. marvel has like 25 movies, bob iger chose to make it black panther. come on, you know how our lame press likes to think and start trouble when there is none. you are right scorsese did not give specifics about marvel movies, he generalised all of them. there is no need to try and remove black panther addressing what he is saying. this people have an agenda in their plans to try and destroy him. I do find this a better black led movie than black panther that scorsese directed in the 80s.

Bad is more iconic than Black Panther. More influential musically than thriller. I am now seeing other posters now saying he does not use women or minorities. if I was to look at it from this point, it does not have anything to do with MCU not been art to Scorsese. Completely two different topics.lol.

[inisideguy]

I don't have a problem with what he is saying. Number #1 its a generational thing. And also this type of debate has been going on for ages. Look I am not film expert. But the way I look at Marvel films is they are pop music. There is a lot of bad pop music. But some of its good. This argument is literally like some classically trained musician or jazz artist saying whatever current pop music is garbage. Is he or she wrong? Well no. But in a way yes. Cause within the garbage some stuff is good. I don't know who determines its good. The fans of whatever do at whatever time. But then it gets dissected by history. Even then there isn't any real consensus. Art is all opinion. But we all have opinions.

[inisideguy]

I might just reply to my own post here but ironically just below this is a post on wrestling. Its my opinion but wrestling is complete utter nonsense garbage. BUT. And this is a big But thats just me. Millions of people love it. All over the world. So am I right? Not for you wrestling people I aint. You guys can probably come on and tell me its awesome and a has secret high forms of art. I don't know and its probably not relevant because you can't tell me whats good nor can I really tell you. Makes the world go round.