Make your own Marvel team, base it on whatever!

[marhawkman]

Tell a story of an international conference on super human proliferation. Governments send diplomats with super agent protection.

My thought on it was that when the Heroes Reborn story was done there were still plenty of Avengers on the main Earth. Why would they not have assembled a team during that time?

Well, the international thing is a large part of it actually. The UN knows they need groups like Avengers and X-Men to keep supervillains in control. Thus, they want to recruit from many countries. (also it greatly amused me that in 616 there actually was an officially sanctioned Iraqi team.) I didn't think too hard about how many of the actual Avengers were around since it's an event that didn't happen in 616. But yes, it does make sense that whichever official Avengers are still around would do what they can.

Also, yeah, the UN can't just... take over the Avengers identity and tower.

[Huntsman Spider]

Tell a story of an international conference on super human proliferation. Governments send diplomats with super agent protection.

My thought on it was that when the Heroes Reborn story was done there were still plenty of Avengers on the main Earth. Why would they not have assembled a team during that time?

The original Heroes Reborn? That's a pretty good question, as they could have been competition for the Thunderbolts and maybe exposed the ruse a bit sooner.

[Alan2099]

Black Widow actually tried to put together an Avengers team during that time. She started with herself, Hercules, and Quicksilver and tried going around to other heroes she knew to recruit them, but nobody seemed interested. Then Quicksilver left, the government started pulling shady stuff, and she figured it was best to call it quits.

[Riv86672]

Black Widow actually tried to put together an Avengers team during that time. She started with herself, Hercules, and Quicksilver and tried going around to other heroes she knew to recruit them, but nobody seemed interested. Then Quicksilver left, the government started pulling shady stuff, and she figured it was best to call it quits.

^^^Where did this happen/who else did she approach?

[Thor-Ul]

Black Widow actually tried to put together an Avengers team during that time. She started with herself, Hercules, and Quicksilver and tried going around to other heroes she knew to recruit them, but nobody seemed interested. Then Quicksilver left, the government started pulling shady stuff, and she figured it was best to call it quits.

Indeed. But nit was not her fault. I think the contrac5t with Jim Lee and Rob Liefeld stated they were the only ones who could publish an Avengers book for that year.

[Riv86672]

Indeed. But nit was not her fault. I think the contrac5t with Jim Lee and Rob Liefeld stated they were the only ones who could publish an Avengers book for that year.

^^^Avengers West Coast!

[Nomads1]

^^^Where did this happen/who else did she approach?

The proto team of Avengers of Tasha, Herc and Pietro show up at the Imperial Guard 4 issue mini-series, and the Widow recounts her faliure in assembling a new team in Avengers 1999 Annual. Honestly, IMHO, it was a very forced move by Marvel (whose Avengers rights were lent to Liefield in that horrible Heroes Reborn crap), to prevent the natural rebirth of an Avengers team. There were leaders and pleanty of members around to form quite a powerful Avengers team (Widow, Herc, Quicksilver, Black Knight, Photon, Tigra, Starfox, etc... And that is not even counting new additions. Seriously, the world is in need of heroes and a first line of defense, and the former Avengers are too busy with other thingsto commit?), that would be accepted by the public and that might even have prevented the Thunderbolts ruse from happening. Sure, both Thunderbolts and Ostrander and Ferry's H4H are a couple of my favorite Marvel books ever, however, I did find it hard to swallow that the Avengers wouldn't reform.

Peace

[Thor-Ul]

Well, there were real worlds reasons for that. Maybe the problem was the narrative didn't find a good jsutification to explan that absence.

[Riv86672]

The proto team of Avengers of Tasha, Herc and Pietro show up at the Imperial Guard 4 issue mini-series, and the Widow recounts her faliure in assembling a new team in Avengers 1999 Annual. Honestly, IMHO, it was a very forced move by Marvel (whose Avengers rights were lent to Liefield in that horrible Heroes Reborn crap), to prevent the natural rebirth of an Avengers team. There were leaders and pleanty of members around to form quite a powerful Avengers team (Widow, Herc, Quicksilver, Black Knight, Photon, Tigra, Starfox, etc... And that is not even counting new additions. Seriously, the world is in need of heroes and a first line of defense, and the former Avengers are too busy with other thingsto commit?), that would be accepted by the public and that might even have prevented the Thunderbolts ruse from happening. Sure, both Thunderbolts and Ostrander and Ferry's H4H are a couple of my favorite Marvel books ever, however, I did find it hard to swallow that the Avengers wouldn't reform.

Peace

Well, there were real worlds reasons for that. Maybe the problem was the narrative didn't find a good jsutification to explan that absence.

^^^Thanks for the info, guys!
And I have to agree. As cool as the T-Bolts and H4H books were, the idea of no heroes stepping up to reform the Avengers never sat right w. me.

[marhawkman]

The proto team of Avengers of Tasha, Herc and Pietro show up at the Imperial Guard 4 issue mini-series, and the Widow recounts her faliure in assembling a new team in Avengers 1999 Annual. Honestly, IMHO, it was a very forced move by Marvel (whose Avengers rights were lent to Liefield in that horrible Heroes Reborn crap), to prevent the natural rebirth of an Avengers team. There were leaders and pleanty of members around to form quite a powerful Avengers team (Widow, Herc, Quicksilver, Black Knight, Photon, Tigra, Starfox, etc... And that is not even counting new additions. Seriously, the world is in need of heroes and a first line of defense, and the former Avengers are too busy with other thingsto commit?), that would be accepted by the public and that might even have prevented the Thunderbolts ruse from happening. Sure, both Thunderbolts and Ostrander and Ferry's H4H are a couple of my favorite Marvel books ever, however, I did find it hard to swallow that the Avengers wouldn't reform.

Peace

Well, also, if you pay close attention, all the characters I picked have some reason to have been a "bad guy" at some point. Not necessarily full-on villains, but an antagonist role. Sabra once fought the Hulk. Sabra and Arabian Knight had some weird mutual hatred. Veil(and the entire Desert Swords team) were the antagonists in a Freedom Force book where the Freedom Force(who were the Brotherhood under a new name) invaded Iraq. Wall and Miz Tree were members of Euro-trash, a villain-adjacent team in X-statix. And well... the entire Acolytes team... yeah.... the guys who took over Genosha alongside Magneto.

But also none of them is a hard core villain. Despite being the bad guys, Desert Sword were actually the Iraqi govt sponsored hero team. Sabra and Arabian Knight much the same. Acolytes.... well, they're a classic case of bad guys who actually have good intentions(unless it's the Cortez version). Euro-trash(with Miz Tree and Wall) were ostensibly villains, but it's not clear who was paying them to do it, and the "heroes" who fought them... were worse.

Hmm.. maybe just say in this timeline BW's efforts sort of succeeded, after recruiting efforts were widened?

[Riv86672]

Well, also, if you pay close attention, all the characters I picked have some reason to have been a "bad guy" at some point. Not necessarily full-on villains, but an antagonist role. Sabra once fought the Hulk. Sabra and Arabian Knight had some weird mutual hatred. Veil(and the entire Desert Swords team) were the antagonists in a Freedom Force book where the Freedom Force(who were the Brotherhood under a new name) invaded Iraq. Wall and Miz Tree were members of Euro-trash, a villain-adjacent team in X-statix. And well... the entire Acolytes team... yeah.... the guys who took over Genosha alongside Magneto.

But also none of them is a hard core villain. Despite being the bad guys, Desert Sword were actually the Iraqi govt sponsored hero team. Sabra and Arabian Knight much the same. Acolytes.... well, they're a classic case of bad guys who actually have good intentions(unless it's the Cortez version). Euro-trash(with Miz Tree and Wall) were ostensibly villains, but it's not clear who was paying them to do it, and the "heroes" who fought them... were worse.

Hmm.. maybe just say in this timeline BW's efforts sort of succeeded, after recruiting efforts were widened?

^^^Widow’s a character I can totally see recruiting a team that’d be willing to fight dirty.

[Riv86672]

Was reminded a couple of days ago how badly Nighthawk was treated during his brief run w. the Thunderbolts. Just wanted to use him in a build.

NIGHTHAWK
The B-list Batman is using his greatest superpower (his money) to create his own team he’s thinking of calling The League of Justice…of America!

CAPTAIN ULTRA
Griffin Gogol has all the requisite super(man) powers to include x-ray vision. He also has a Martian Manhunter-ish fear of fire, but he’s working on it.

VALKYRIE
Brunhilde is a mighty Asgardian Warrior and a wonder(ful) woman, who always finds time to help Nighthawk out.

QUASAR
His awesome Quantum Bands let Wendell Vaughn the guard the whole universe, and protect it when needed.

THE WHIZZER
Robert Frank is Schlepping his way out of retirement. Though he needs to stretch out first to avoid pulling something, when Nighthawk calls he can be there in a flash.

IMPOSSIBLE MAN
He’s not down from Mars or out of Uranus, but the shape shifting Poppupian is, in his own way, every bit as powerful as Captain Ultra.

STINGRAY
The high tech aqua man is using Nighthawk’s funding to further his research.

HELLCAT
There’s no way Patsy Walker wasn’t coming along for the ride, as she routinely hangs out w. Nighthawk and Valkyrie.

[Phoenixx9]

Was reminded a couple of days ago how badly Nighthawk was treated during his brief run w. the Thunderbolts. Just wanted to use him in a build.

NIGHTHAWK
The B-list Batman is using his greatest superpower (his money) to create his own team he’s thinking of calling The League of Justice…of America!

CAPTAIN ULTRA
Griffin Gogol has all the requisite super(man) powers to include x-ray vision. He also has a Martian Manhunter-ish fear of fire, but he’s working on it.

VALKYRIE
Brunhilde is a mighty Asgardian Warrior and a wonder(ful) woman, who always finds time to help Nighthawk out.

QUASAR
His awesome Quantum Bands let Wendell Vaughn the guard the whole universe, and protect it when needed.

THE WHIZZER
Robert Frank is Schlepping his way out of retirement. Though he needs to stretch out first to avoid pulling something, when Nighthawk calls he can be there in a flash.

IMPOSSIBLE MAN
He’s not down from Mars or out of Uranus, but the shape shifting Poppupian is, in his own way, every bit as powerful as Captain Ultra.

STINGRAY
The high tech aqua man is using Nighthawk’s funding to further his research.

HELLCAT
There’s no way Patsy Walker wasn’t coming along for the ride, as she routinely hangs out w. Nighthawk and Valkyrie.

I really love this team! Good combos with characters who have worked together and some who have not.

[Riv86672]

I really love this team! Good combos with characters who have worked together and some who have not.

^^^Yeah it actually turned out not too bad; thank you, glad you liked it!

[Phoenixx9]

^^^Yeah it actually turned out not too bad; thank you, glad you liked it!

You are welcome. Also like the pics too, lol!