Stop projecting. Do you want to admit that they are dangerous super-villains on the island rather than pretending they're misunderstood pranksters?
The Fantastic Four broke up. During Civil War Stark got into fist fights with numerous super-hero allies from Spider-man to Ms. Marvel, and was loathed by an entire group of Avengers - that was why its called "Civil War." Stark uploaded a virus to eliminate all the private details of the super-hero community from the Registration Act to stop Norman Osborn from getting it, was hunted by the government (who hired super-villains like the Hood) because they wanted the knowledge in his head since he burnt their database, he deliberately rebooted his mind which put him into a coma and made him lose his intelligence while he was on the run at the risk of his own life, and when he was fully rebooted it was from a pre-Civil War Stark. And he lost his company.In-universe, Stark and Reed never face consequences, while the X-Men are pretty much hated regardless, and the superhero community is quick to go against them or throw them into prison. None of the Illuminati faced consequences about the Incursions stuff, except for maybe Namor (oh look at that, a mutant!). Nor did Reed or Stark face consequences for the Negative Zone prison or cloning Thor.
No a word of punishment for the X-men who are on the Illuminati, of course.
You want to go over what crimes the X-men have committed over the years and gotten away with?
You think Namor shouldn't have faced consequences for what he did to Wakanda?
Bad writing is supposed to be acknowledged, not used as a straw man for acts they'd be celebrated for if they were mutants. Have you read most of their material, I don't think you're as up to date with their personalities as you're claiming.Bad writing is a bad excuse, most of the stuff they do is consistent with their characterization. Stark, T'Challa and Reed pretty much think they're doing the right thing regardless and they never get punishement for their actions.
Your point was ridiculous, ignoring any nuance in the characters. The FF deliberately became celebrities, that's not an accident. The X-men had the opposite approach, staying in the shadows. Except you're only caring when the X-men save the world, you could care less when non-mutants do it.You're either not getting my point or ignoring it. The FF are celebrities because they've saved the world many times, the same cannot be said about the X-Men even though they've saved the world many times too. If they do something right, they're still disliked. If they mess up, they face harsher consequences.
He was making Franklin's x-gene invisible to being detected, not taking his powers away. Blame editorial for that, they don't have the luxury of being able to shape the world with their status quo like the X-men are doing right now. Strange, how this only comes up wth non-mutants but when mutants need help everyone who aren't appearing are made to look as bad as possible. The X-men really mustn't care whenever the Avengers fight Kang or Ultron by those standards. If the FF are so powerful why aren't the X-men or Krkaoa on their doorstep getting them involved? instead they steal from Reed and Stark and alienate them by pursuing Franklin by being the worst houseguests.Well look at Reed conversion-therapying Franklin. They might not be bigots, but they're going to put their interests first at the end of the day, regardless of the persecutions they see before their eyes.
We were discussing the X-men, not Krakoa.Oh c'mon, read your thousands of posts. You've been implying they're villains for a whole year. Don't backtrack now.
If you want to discuss this complex subject I'm going to need more than a vague sentence.I hope you think the FF and the Avengers don't hold any moral high ground either, then.
Because Xavier was ok sending them out to fight super-villains, and he'd use deadly training rooms, that's why it was named the "Danger Room". Which was unintentional, the X-men deliberately do that with their young students.X-Men had to train kids because they needed to learn how to use their powers in combat situation. No Purifiers attack the Baxter Building. Franklin and Valeria have been put into danger solely because the FF are addicted to adventure.
Stop minimising how much Valeria's relationship with Doom was terrifying them.They even sent Valeria to live with Doom.
You haven't read many comics outside of the X-men line, have you?And yet only the X-Men are the bad guys or are seen as acting strange by the superhero community.