How much has the X-Men as a reflection of real life minorities changed overtime?

[Lapsus]

I'm always surprised when I see people say the X-Men don't work as a metaphor for real life minorities because they don't believe humanity could be as cartoonishly hateful as they're portrayed in the books. The ugliness of humanity is one of the most realistic things about X-Men. This is the same species that perpetuates various systems of bigotry and is responsible for the Holocaust, Transatlantic Slave Trade, and numerous other human rights atrocities based on "differences" between groups.

It doesnt work because there is a reasonable fear to human beings have super powers.

The problem comes in how selective is that fear, Scott scares me but Thor doesnt, we see the Marvel Universe in the eyes of the main characters but we rarely see how a regular mutant, human or even a harmless alien see does things; which is normal, we dont bought the book because we want to know how John Smith feels about the Skrull invasion.

[Zelena]

It doesnt work because there is a reasonable fear to human beings have super powers.

The problem comes in how selective is that fear, Scott scares me but Thor doesnt, we see the Marvel Universe in the eyes of the main characters but we rarely see how a regular mutant, human or even a harmless alien see does things; which is normal, we dont bought the book because we want to know how John Smith feels about the Skrull invasion.

In the comic "Code of Honor Vol 1", the super-heroes are seen through the eyes of a regular cop, who just does his job during the whole issue.
But I agree, it's rare.

[adamTPTK]

Actually, for a universe where superpeople are public knowledge since WW2, seeing how that world hasn't adjusted itself to the superpowered reality is actually extremely mind boggling. Every time a cop is there to pull an effing gun on a giant creature that attacks the city or governmental officials that don't wield telepathy blocking tech, we are forced to recognize how cartoonish and nonsensical everything related to this realm is. Its casuals ARE the prime example of it in the end.

[davetvs]

It doesnt work because there is a reasonable fear to human beings have super powers.

The problem comes in how selective is that fear, Scott scares me but Thor doesnt, we see the Marvel Universe in the eyes of the main characters but we rarely see how a regular mutant, human or even a harmless alien see does things; which is normal, we dont bought the book because we want to know how John Smith feels about the Skrull invasion.

This argument has already been pulled apart several times. The majority of in-universe popular superheroes have origins as normal humans who gained powers either via government experimentation, scientific accidents, exposure to radiation, or some other one-in-a-million chance event happening. That, or they're literal gods of myth like Hercules or Thor. Mutants are supposed to be the next step in evolution, inherit the Earth, and make humanity obsolete/replace them. It makes perfect sense that they'd be feared, hated, and persecuted whether they had superpowers or not.

[Ferro]

also ignoring that the large majority have harmless powers or just phsicaly mutations, those that just look difrent and need special care and get nothing of the sort.

[pkingdom]

In hindsight, Sublime was a good excuse to justify why humans hated mutants in particular to such extremes. That or Nova. I wish they'd stuck with that.

[BroHomo]

In hindsight, Sublime was a good excuse to justify why humans hated mutants in particular to such extremes. That or Nova. I wish they'd stuck with that.

Hmmm justification of hatred....
a sentient flu bug, with a mad on for killing mutants or something akin to the illogical hatred minorities could be subject to in the real world???????????

[pkingdom]

Hmmm justification of hatred....
a sentient flu bug, with a mad on for killing mutants or something akin to the illogical hatred minorities could be subject to in the real world???????????

I don't see anyone suggesting giant purple genocide robots in the real world. Or genetically engineering dinosaur monsters that are designed to hunt and eat minorities.

[BroHomo]

I don't see anyone suggesting giant purple genocide robots in the real world. Or genetically engineering dinosaur monsters that are designed to hunt and eat minorities.

No one will....until its too late

[Zelena]

I don't see anyone suggesting giant purple genocide robots in the real world. Or genetically engineering dinosaur monsters that are designed to hunt and eat minorities.

Demagogues and populists are more prosaic: they use good old propaganda.

[Frobisher]

Demagogues and populists are more prosaic: they use good old propaganda.

The political correctness police have swung things too far the other way and now it’s really hard being a white male heterosexual cis-gendered human. So much as call for detention camps for mutant children online and the SJWs will jump in you in force.

[Zelena]

The political correctness police have swung things too far the other way and now it’s really hard being a white male heterosexual cis-gendered human. So much as call for detention camps for mutant children online and the SJWs will jump in you in force.

I was thinking of governments who wallowed or wallow in political uncorrectness. Shame in measured doses is a social equalizer.

[ARkadelphia]

The political correctness police have swung things too far the other way and now it’s really hard being a white male heterosexual cis-gendered human.

Is it though?

[Ferro]

The political correctness police have swung things too far the other way and now it’s really hard being a white male heterosexual cis-gendered human. So much as call for detention camps for mutant children online and the SJWs will jump in you in force.

id love to trade if its so hard

[Lapsus]

This argument has already been pulled apart several times. The majority of in-universe popular superheroes have origins as normal humans who gained powers either via government experimentation, scientific accidents, exposure to radiation, or some other one-in-a-million chance event happening That, or they're literal gods of myth like Hercules or Thor. Mutants are supposed to be the next step in evolution, inherit the Earth, and make humanity obsolete/replace them. It makes perfect sense that they'd be feared, hated, and persecuted whether they had superpowers or not.

It doesnt make sense, most people know the origin of these superheroes and villains ?? how they know that they are not mutants ?? you know as a reader but i cant imagine your regular human being able to separate a mutate from a mutant. Thor isnt the problem, the problem comes with the revelation that if Thor exist what others things exist, now apart from Aliens, we can have supernatural dangers.


The problem with the replacement argument is that humans give birth to mutants and most mutants have similar human features besides the superpowers, those who look inhuman at least have humanoid bodies with some exceptions. Why would a normal human have "fear" of the X-Men which in most cases are indistinguishable from other beloved superheroes when New York is being pulled apart by Symbiotes.

Beyond the meta-narrative of the different series there is no explanation of why people can discriminate some people with superpowers but not other people with superpowers.

also ignoring that the large majority have harmless powers or just phsicaly mutations, those that just look difrent and need special care and get nothing of the sort.

It doesnt matter, you only need one bad example and people can start the generalization, if fact, is even worse, Creed, Stryker, Leper queen, Price, all of them could turn the population against mutants usings the bad examples of Electro, Lizard, Sandman, ect.. in order to fulfill their goal.