How much has the X-Men as a reflection of real life minorities changed overtime?

[Havok83]

Eh, he's got a decade to go before even a normal mutant undergoes puberty and 'awakens' as a mutant anyway. Who knows what will happen in that time. Maybe he'll get an X-gene. Maybe he'll die. Maybe he'll grow up to be a mutant ally, a human who has mutant family and fights on their side using armor / tech created by Forge, or magic learned from Magik. Maybe he'll grow up to resent Jubes and her mutant peers for not ever being one of them, and go all 'Third Way' and take MGH and try to find other increasingly desperate ways to make himself a mutant, or a Novissimo, or whatever. Or maybe he'll just go on to a normal human life, despite all the weirdness in his childhood. (Probably the least likely option, since it's the least dramatic...)

Some future scenario with a teen/twenty-something Shogo showing up with tech/armor/weapons by Forge, and martial arts training from the likes of Wolverine, fighting alongside his mutant friends, could be fun. Everybody else gets grizzled 'old man blah-blah' futures, he's just a baby, his 'old man' future is 'finally an adult and kicking ass!'

He's not a mutant. We've seen him as an adult via Battle of the Atom. Of course this can be retconned but canonically, he's a baseline human

We also know that there are other humans on the island. Scarlet Witch's victims for example are baseline as well

[Steel Inquisitor]

He's not a mutant. We've seen him as an adult via Battle of the Atom. Of course this can be retconned but canonically, he's a baseline human

We also know that there are other humans on the island. Scarlet Witch's victims for example are baseline as well

They're not human, they're just mutants who are depowered. If they were Apocalypse personally murdering them with a big sword wouldn't give them their powers back, he knows from experience - he's murdered humans for centuries.

[jwatson]

Not much really. Both are being killed simply for existing. Though I'm not sure if mutants pay taxes since they don't have jobs but I do know black m americans who work are. So yeah right now mutants have it a tad better in the sense that they aren't paying the people who send the sentinels after them. But still pretty close.

[marhawkman]

Not much really. Both are being killed simply for existing. Though I'm not sure if mutants pay taxes since they don't have jobs but I do know black m americans who work are. So yeah right now mutants have it a tad better in the sense that they aren't paying the people who send the sentinels after them. But still pretty close.

Well mutants living on Krakoa don't pay taxes to outside polities. But, human-passing mutants living outside Krakoa probably pay taxes to whatever polity they live in the same as humans do.

[Havok83]

They're not human, they're just mutants who are depowered. If they were Apocalypse personally murdering them with a big sword wouldn't give them their powers back, he knows from experience - he's murdered humans for centuries.

Depowered mutants are baseline humans. Unless they go through with the Crucible and pass it, they remain as humans on that island. Its reasonable that not every on of these humans will be able to do so or want to die even if the outcome is becoming a mutant again

[Steel Inquisitor]

Depowered mutants are baseline humans. Unless they go through with the Crucible and pass it, they remain as humans on that island. Its reasonable that not every on of these humans will be able to do so or want to die even if the outcome is becoming a mutant again

They're only in their human state when their powers are deactivated, it's not their "normal" state. They aren't ordinary humans otherwise they wouldn't be allowed on Krakoa. Normal humans can't "go back" to being mutants, while they can.

[Havok83]

They're only in their human state when their powers are deactivated, it's not their "normal" state. They aren't ordinary humans otherwise they wouldn't be allowed on Krakoa. Normal humans can't "go back" to being mutants, while they can.

It is their current normal state. They cant go back to being mutants. They literally have to die and a clone that is a mutant is brought back. Its a workaround but definitely not the same thing as someone having a suppresed X-gene which is turned on. These humans do not have an X-gene, therefore they are not even latent mutants. They register and test as humans

[Steel Inquisitor]

It is their current normal state. They cant go back to being mutants. They literally have to die and a clone that is a mutant is brought back. Its a workaround but definitely not the same thing as someone having a suppresed X-gene which is turned on. These humans do not have an X-gene, therefore they are not even latent mutants. They register and test as humans

Sure they can, that's what the Five have proven to be able to accomplish. The workaround is why they're able to stay there or what Apocalypse, all he did was kill her so dying in Krakoa is really the key, did to Aero would have murdered her not given her powers back. They are welcomed among Krakoa because they mutants who had their powers taken away, their status quo is of mutants, genetically the Five just gives their bodies back.

Since we know they have omega level reality warpers why can't they just give them back their powers? Jaime can resurrect someone simply by poking them on the forehead! He did this to Elisabeth in Excalibur.

[Havok83]

Sure they can, that's what the Five have proven to be able to accomplish. The workaround is why they're able to stay there or what Apocalypse, all he did was kill her so dying in Krakoa is really the key, did to Aero would have murdered her not given her powers back. They are welcomed among Krakoa because they mutants who had their powers taken away, their status quo is of mutants, genetically the Five just gives their bodies back.

Since we know they have omega level reality warpers why can't they just give them back their powers? Jaime can resurrect someone simply by poking them on the forehead! He did this to Elisabeth in Excalibur.

A clone takes their place with their memories but again until that happens they are humans. I have nothing more to say to you on that

[Zelena]

It is their current normal state. They cant go back to being mutants. They literally have to die and a clone that is a mutant is brought back. Its a workaround but definitely not the same thing as someone having a suppresed X-gene which is turned on. These humans do not have an X-gene, therefore they are not even latent mutants. They register and test as humans

If 'human' is the 'normal' state of the depowered, shouldn't they stay this way?
After all, the mutant movement is about being proud of who you are.

[Steel Inquisitor]

A clone takes their place with their memories but again until that happens they are humans. I have nothing more to say to you on that

You're stopping the conversation from going further because Jaime Braddock's existence puts the Crucible's worth in doubt. Ironic, considering Apocalypse is responsible for putting him on the throne in Otherworld. Questioning things is a virtue, Havok.

[Veitha]

The fact they're baseline humans and not mutants is... well, a fact. Not a question.

The Scarlet Witch spell erased the X-Gene and from what we knew it affected genetic samples too and it couldn't easily be wished back into reality, so we don't know if Jamie could do it.

Besides, The Five already work with a reality warper and since they're using DNA samples taken before M'Day, we could possibly assume that either Tempus reverts the sample to a pre-M'Day time or Proteus reality warps them back, like Jamie would do.

[BroHomo]

I think Jamie can only receive his family member right?

[Grunty]

The fact they're baseline humans and not mutants is... well, a fact. Not a question.

The Scarlet Witch spell erased the X-Gene and from what we knew it affected genetic samples too and it couldn't easily be wished back into reality, so we don't know if Jamie could do it.

Besides, The Five already work with a reality warper and since they're using DNA samples taken before M'Day, we could possibly assume that either Tempus reverts the sample to a pre-M'Day time or Proteus reality warps them back, like Jamie would do.

It appears dubious to me that the "only" method they could pick to mass repower former-mutants is to "print out" an identical copy with the powers intact, which in turn requires the original to die (likely to avoid having to deal with the still powerless original).

Since we have seen various methods in the past that allowed depowered mutants to regain their powers and in some cases even their X-gene. Magneto himself got his powers back via parts of a celestial (the beings who created the X-gene in first place).
Polaris got her powers back as side effect of Apocaypse turning her into Pestilence, which actualy raises the question how she is allowed on Krakoa since her powers would be tech based, unless i missed a storyline where she gained her X-gene back for good.
Rictor got his powers back. Jubilee got her powers back and was even cured of vampirism. Blob got his powers back. The list goes on. X-gene or just powers from other means. Former mutants got repowered without the copy and paste method they are using in the current storyline and all these characters are welcome as "mutants" on Krakoa even if their status as such is questionable in some cases.

Yet with all that amazing power of various mutants at their disposale, Xavier and Magneto decided that the copy and pasting was the most viable method to repower mutants.

For me this raises the question if this was the really most ideal method or just the one they desired the most via their new mindsets. Especialy when Moira's mind changing both is taken into account. They could have picked this merely because it was presented as most ideal method to them via her memories, that they entirely skipped any viable alternative.

In the end, nobody is comming back from the dead or gets repowered via this method, their deaths are merely ignored via an identical replacement which in case of depowered mutants have their powers back.

It's an intentional choice by the writers and i feel it is one to be questioned and doubted for how much it is the "right" or "most viable" method.

That it was primarily chosen by the writer to cause trouble down the line or directly cause the end of the Krakoa status quo can't be ruled out.

[Veitha]

It appears dubious to me that the "only" method they could pick to mass repower former-mutants is to "print out" an identical copy with the powers intact, which in turn requires the original to die (likely to avoid having to deal with the still powerless original).

Since we have seen various methods in the past that allowed depowered mutants to regain their powers and in some cases even their X-gene. Magneto himself got his powers back via parts of a celestial (the beings who created the X-gene in first place).
Polaris got her powers back as side effect of Apocaypse turning her into Pestilence, which actualy raises the question how she is allowed on Krakoa since her powers would be tech based, unless i missed a storyline where she gained her X-gene back for good.
Rictor got his powers back. Jubilee got her powers back and was even cured of vampirism. Blob got his powers back. The list goes on. X-gene or just powers from other means. Former mutants got repowered without the copy and paste method they are using in the current storyline and all these characters are welcome as "mutants" on Krakoa even if their status as such is questionable in some cases.

Yet with all that amazing power of various mutants at their disposale, Xavier and Magneto decided that the copy and pasting was the most viable method to repower mutants.

For me this raises the question if this was the really most ideal method or just the one they desired the most via their new mindsets. Especialy when Moira's mind changing both is taken into account. They could have picked this merely because it was presented as most ideal method to them via her memories, that they entirely skipped any viable alternative.

In the end, nobody is comming back from the dead or gets repowered via this method, their deaths are merely ignored via an identical replacement which in case of depowered mutants have their powers back.

It's an intentional choice by the writers and i feel it is one to be questioned and doubted for how much it is the "right" or "most viable" method.

That it was primarily chosen by the writer to cause trouble down the line or directly cause the end of the Krakoa status quo can't be ruled out.

Most of these examples are undery extraordinary circumstances. Rictor got his powers back thanks to Wanda having Life Force powers at the moment, Jubilee required a Phoenix Shard to be repowered, and you don't find Celestial tech just around the corner and likely they don't want to involve the High Evolutionary. Mothervine mutants were recreated via-Mothervine of course, which probably isn't available or isn't trustworthy. Polaris may be the exception but I think that was just the writers forgetting about the storyline.

We don't know if M'Day occured in previous lives and I would believe it didn't, since both it and Genosha slowed down their original plans by years. And The Five did not exist in previous lives, so Moira is not behind this. They are working around the problem.

The Five are the best way to do it atm, it's just this. And they're not clones, they're Resurrected and Hickman confirmed it so no need to rehash that. You need to get killed because there can't be no copies.