How much has the X-Men as a reflection of real life minorities changed overtime?

[Veitha]

We didn't see the solutions because they're not going to show us everything! It's not Big Brother, it's 20-ish pages comicbooks. You're making up stuff to say that Xavier had malignant intentions for using The Five, that's the headcanon.

We didn't see if they looked for other solutions, and we didn't see that they didn't. It's safe to assume that The Five are the best solution they found.

Why? Exactly because of the reasons you gave. They live in an island full of scientists and reality warpers. It's way more logical to assume that they would have stepped in to propose a solution to M'Day which, until the other day, had literally no easily available solutions, thus the weight of the thing.
Hank McCoy is on that island and he's essentially their head scientist. He studied M'Day and talked to every great mind on the planet including villains years ago. You think he wouldn't have proposed something else if he had ideas on how to restore the X-Gene with their available resources? It's way more logical to assume that he did instead of saying he didn't because we didn't see it on paper.

The Chamber thing, as I've said already, is an extraordinary condition. He was a descendant of Apocalypse and he became Apocalypse-like and it changed his features and we don't know how it affected his powers. We also don't know the further implications of it but I don't think turning everyone into Apocalypse-lite is better than turning them back into mutants without needing to completely change them. That would be pretty invasive. And again, we don't know if it works for everyone.

This is like saying that gay marriages are not allowed because you didn't see someone say they were. If you use this kind of logic you could say anything about Krakoa. And again, seeing the amount of scientists on Krakoa including people who studied M'Day, it would be a better assumption that this is the best they can do. If they had a better and faster solution they'd deploy it since Repowering through Resurrection is bad for the Resurrection pipeline, and they've acknowledged that on paper. At this point you're just making up conspiracy theories.

Oh damn I said I wouldn't fall into the Crucible discussions again

[BroHomo]

Maybe if they bothered using that Celestial technology, numerous scientists and reality warpers on the island to fix it rather than pretending they have to go through the Crucible? There's absolutely no excuse Krakoa can't get that working properly.

Yes there's no excuse to repair a thing that you have never seen/thought of before. Why don't they get their sh!t together and erase racism, get their asses outta their heads and cure anxiety, get on the ball and defeat unhappiness.

Apocalypse has had sex before without issues, he's got a whole cult created by his children and their ancestors. He's a shapeshifter far above Mystique in his abilities.

Well there were those awkward college years. Yes this is also a fact.

Have you heard of Clan Akkaba? Chamber is a descendent of Apocalypse.

Yeah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Akkaba

They're in Krakoa, renaming themselves Coven Akkaba.

Actually all this is wrong. They are in Otherworld, and the Coven are descendants of the folks that drove Apocalypse out originally

You think Apocalypse blood is untenable? Fine. Show me where krkaoa decided not to use it or acknowledged its existence.

https://www.amazon.com/X-Men-Blood-A.../dp/078511985X

Looks canon to me.

Well this page shows a slice of life from KraKoa and as you can see there's absolutely No one, let alone KraKoa is using Apocalypse's blood, nor acknowledging its existence. Soooo

Which solutions did Krakoa look for besides setting on the Five? I didn't say it was easy. They have Omega level reality warpers on their payroll so why aren't they using them?
Sinister's not the only scientist on the island, and they have reality warpers.

It's almost like you've never read Decimation!?

[Steel Inquisitor]

Yes there's no excuse to repair a thing that you have never seen/thought of before.

Show me when Marvel retconned "Blood of Apocalypse" out of canon and what you said below doesn't count.

Why don't they get their sh!t together and erase racism, get their asses outta their heads and cure anxiety, get on the ball and defeat unhappiness.

They live in a magic island that makes drugs that extend life spans and cure psychological issues, curing unhappiness should be a walk in the park for therm.

Well there were those awkward college years. Yes this is also a fact.

Ok.

Yeah.

Actually all this is wrong. They are in Otherworld, and the Coven are descendants of the folks that drove Apocalypse out originally

Ok, they're two separate groups.

Well this page shows a slice of life from KraKoa and as you can see there's absolutely No one, let alone KraKoa is using Apocalypse's blood, nor acknowledging its existence. Soooo

You're going to need more proof than a random panel in Krakoa that "Blood of Apocalypse" isn't canon.

It's almost like you've never read Decimation!?

I've read it, I just happen to know that nothing remains forever in comics.

[marhawkman]

Mothervine worked it was just very unstable. It caused powers to flare up beyond a mutant's control which was dangerous to themselves and those around them. This however is irrelevant when you have a mutant like Hope and Elixir around to stabilize those mutations if it were used. Those two plus MV would be the most efficient way to restore depowered mutants back to their former selves

I was talking about using it on non-mutants. Those were even worse.

[JB]

Why would we want them to use boring celestial tech when Hope, Elixir, Proteus, Tempus, and Egg finally are important and have something to do? Endless story potential with this setup. Rock on.

Coven Akkaba is on Krakoa?

[anyajenkins]

Actually all this is wrong. They are in Otherworld, and the Coven are descendants of the folks that drove Apocalypse out originally

Not quite, they’re descended from the followers apocalypse rejected.

[Devaishwarya]

Why would we want them to use boring celestial tech when Hope, Elixir, Proteus, Tempus, and Egg finally are important and have something to do? Endless story potential with this setup. Rock on.

Coven Akkaba is on Krakoa?

Nope...they're somewhere in England.

[Sutekh]

So random thought about the resurrection protocols. 99% of fiction out there has a brain-copied into a clone body become more or less a different person than the 'original,' but count as a continuance for legal reasons (so you can inherit your own stuff, for instance). Apocalypse and Sinister's methods seem to follow that guideline.

Imagine if the Five's process works differently, perhaps because of the use of a reality manipulator like Proteus in the mix, and when he flexes his power during the process, he's initiating the quantum state of the person they are attempting to bring back. Their consciousness sort of boots up in the new hardware. BUT, if that person already exists, because of some accidental kerfluffle (we thought you were dead!), that consciousness doesn't just become a superfluous copy of the original, it becomes linked and you end up with one person, and two bodies, immediately aware that they are somehow split (possibly across thousands of miles), and disoriented by this 'double vision' at first, as they flail around, two bodies receiving contradictory messages meant for a single body...

Eventually they'd get the hang of this two bodies thing. And it would be totally different than the usual 'cloned body, downloaded memories' sci-fi story that's been around for *decades* and is, IMO, kind of a transhumanist cliche, at this point. (And has been happening, thanks to Poccy and Sinny, for decades in these very comics, for that matter.)

[lemonpeace]

So random thought about the resurrection protocols. 99% of fiction out there has a brain-copied into a clone body become more or less a different person than the 'original,' but count as a continuance for legal reasons (so you can inherit your own stuff, for instance). Apocalypse and Sinister's methods seem to follow that guideline.

Imagine if the Five's process works differently, perhaps because of the use of a reality manipulator like Proteus in the mix, and when he flexes his power during the process, he's initiating the quantum state of the person they are attempting to bring back. Their consciousness sort of boots up in the new hardware. BUT, if that person already exists, because of some accidental kerfluffle (we thought you were dead!), that consciousness doesn't just become a superfluous copy of the original, it becomes linked and you end up with one person, and two bodies, immediately aware that they are somehow split (possibly across thousands of miles), and disoriented by this 'double vision' at first, as they flail around, two bodies receiving contradictory messages meant for a single body...

Eventually they'd get the hang of this two bodies thing. And it would be totally different than the usual 'cloned body, downloaded memories' sci-fi story that's been around for *decades* and is, IMO, kind of a transhumanist cliche, at this point. (And has been happening, thanks to Poccy and Sinny, for decades in these very comics, for that matter.)

THE TEETHERED!!! Jordan Peele is a mutant from Krakoa confirmed.

[marhawkman]

Not quite, they’re descended from the followers apocalypse rejected.

Yeah, Apocalypse was the Patriarch of the Clan. The Coven existed to oppose them.

[Micabe]

Does anyone want to see mutants become hostile invaders by placing gates on Asgard, Olympia, Lemuria and or any other non-earthly society like Kree-lar or the Shi'ar homeworld?

[Sutekh]

Do anyone want to see mutants become hostile invaders by placing gates on Asgard, Olympia, and or other non-earthly societies like Kree-lar?

Invaders, no, but I'd definitely like to see more of how Krakoa portals are radically changing the world. Anything can be shipped anywhere, so long as some rando mutant delivery-person is available to haul it through the portal. Weather is bad and flights are cancelled? Whatever. Military blockade? Ignored. Needs to be across the planet *now* cause it's a freshly harvested human heart and the donor is in New York and the recipient is in Tokyo? Is *five minutes* fast enough? It would have been three, but the dog hid my shoe again.

Being able to teleport *to the moon,* or to Kree space, or to the Savage Land, should vastly open up potential for all sorts of resource shenanigans / scientific exploration / development / etc. And these portals don't require Magik or Lila Cheney or Vanisher or Blink to be available or 'in the mood.' *Any* mutant can use them to haul gear and supplies to and from, say, the International Space Station, or a research station in Antartica, or the moon. And it's already been determined that they can be fooled, by someone tricking whatever DNA scan they're doing to 'detect as a mutant' so they're are plenty of ways to spoof them and ferry humans around...

Finally, a ****ing use for Glob Herman. Someone wants to get ported across the planet, but isn't a mutant, they hold their breath for a minute, Glob engulfs them with his waxy mutant mass, steps through to where they want to go, and 'spits them out.' If they're really clever, they wore a disposable 'body condom' suit so they don't even have Glob-spooge all over them.

[BroHomo]

Invaders, no, but I'd definitely like to see more of how Krakoa portals are radically changing the world. Anything can be shipped anywhere, so long as some rando mutant delivery-person is available to haul it through the portal. Weather is bad and flights are cancelled? Whatever. Military blockade? Ignored. Needs to be across the planet *now* cause it's a freshly harvested human heart and the donor is in New York and the recipient is in Tokyo? Is *five minutes* fast enough? It would have been three, but the dog hid my shoe again.

Being able to teleport *to the moon,* or to Kree space, or to the Savage Land, should vastly open up potential for all sorts of resource shenanigans / scientific exploration / development / etc. And these portals don't require Magik or Lila Cheney or Vanisher or Blink to be available or 'in the mood.' *Any* mutant can use them to haul gear and supplies to and from, say, the International Space Station, or a research station in Antartica, or the moon. And it's already been determined that they can be fooled, by someone tricking whatever DNA scan they're doing to 'detect as a mutant' so they're are plenty of ways to spoof them and ferry humans around...

Finally, a ****ing use for Glob Herman. Someone wants to get ported across the planet, but isn't a mutant, they hold their breath for a minute, Glob engulfs them with his waxy mutant mass, steps through to where they want to go, and 'spits them out.' If they're really clever, they wore a disposable 'body condom' suit so they don't even have Glob-spooge all over them.

body horror x 20 lol

Not quite, they’re descended from the followers apocalypse rejected.

Yeah, Apocalypse was the Patriarch of the Clan. The Coven existed to oppose them.

Nah

[skyvolt2000]

Does anyone want to see mutants become hostile invaders by placing gates on Asgard, Olympia, Lemuria and or any other non-earthly society like Kree-lar or the Shi'ar homeworld?

YOU mean places that would have something WORST than a mutant killing cloud???

Along with giving AMMO to Humans who fear them. Along with Wakanda-who under a better writer won't be worshiping Storm.

[marhawkman]

you said "nah" but all that really says is that the Coven were from Akkaba and oppose Apocalypse.