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    Default Wildcat (Yolanda Montez)





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    With Yvette Monreal cast to play Wildcat (Yolanda Montez) in the upcoming DC Universe’s ‘Stargirl’.

    (Brian Stapf also cast as Ted Grant/Wildcat) He has his thread here - https://community.cbr.com/showthread...hlight=wildcat
    (Series also stars Brec Bassinger as Courtney Whitemore, Joel McHale as Starman, Luke Wilson as Pat Dugan, Meg DeLacy as Cindy Burman, Lou Ferrigno Jr. as Rex Tyler, and more...)

    Thought it was time for her own thread.
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    The idea first appeared in promotional material for the new Infinity Inc. series appearing in All-Star Squadron #28,
    She is shown riding a cat-cycle, and oddly called "La Garro" which makes no sense. La is feminine, Garro (masculine) really means nothing.
    Although La Garra is feminine for "Claw", could be what they meant? And would not have been a bad name.
    However they did not go with the name or look.



    Created by Roy Thomas, Dannette Thomas and Don Newton.
    Yolanda Montez debuted in Infinity Inc. 12 (March 1985).
    Her "powers" were revealed in #16



    In a slow burn build she would inevitably make her costumed debut in #23
    In the midst of the Crisis of Infinite Earths wide line event:

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    And in #25 a charming, and emotional scene, she is finally accepted as a member and legitimate legacy to the name, by the at first reluctant Ted Grant (who is only momentarily in a wheelchair), who is her uncle by way of Juan "The Mauler" Montez her father who Ted Grant once fought and trained with in the ring.
    Seeing who she really is, he is more then willing to embrace her, and train her as his Legacy.






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    Proposal: what if Yolanda was a Nagual?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagual

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    Proposal: what if Yolanda was a Nagual?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagual
    Love the Nagual and Tezcatlipoca, mythology, had a character like this when I was a kid.
    Would love it if Yolanda took it as a power totem.

    Although as far as an actual power, I actually prefer Yolanda remain more street level, and with the strong connection to her uncle Ted Grant (once her fathers (Juan "The Mauler" Montez) rival in the ring), who trains her.

    Nagual with the more supernatural shape shifting aspect, as a name and power I actually think lends itself more appropriately to Rosabelle Mendez (Pantha), or DC's/Impact/Archie Maria DeGuzman and Ivette Velez (Jaguar), strangely lots of overlap there.

    As for Yolanda I'd go the other way, no wear-cat shape-shifting (just the claws), tough as nails brawler and boxer, and put her in the ring with her uncle, mentor and trainer Ted Grant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Güicho View Post
    Love the Nagual and Tezcatlipoca, mythology, had a character like this when I was a kid.
    Would love it if Yolanda took it as a power totem.

    Although as far as an actual power, I actually prefer Yolanda remain more street level, and with the strong connection to her uncle Ted Grant (once her fathers (Juan "The Mauler" Montez) rival in the ring), who trains her.

    Nagual with the more supernatural shape shifting aspect, as a name and power I actually think lends itself more appropriately to Rosabelle Mendez (Pantha), or DC's/Impact/Archie Maria DeGuzman and Ivette Velez (Jaguar), strangely lots of overlap there.

    As for Yolanda I'd go the other way, no wear-cat shape-shifting (just the claws), tough as nails brawler and boxer, and put her in the ring with her uncle, mentor and trainer Ted Grant.
    Would making her a Nagual take her out of street level stories? From what I've read they're just animal shapeshifters limited to one form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    Would making her a Nagual take her out of street level stories? .
    No, but that's not what I said.
    I said:
    Quote Originally Posted by Güicho View Post
    I actually prefer Yolanda remain more street level, and with the strong connection to her uncle Ted Grant
    Meaning street level as in character, like Grant, no great powers, mostly a self made and trained street level brawler. Adding Nagual type connection to a mythological being and supernatural shape shifting powers, would be the opposite.
    At least that's my understanding of the use "street level" hero.
    Self made, no great powers, magic or supernatural, or mythological. Suddenly becoming a supernatural shape-sifter, or wear-jaguar runs counter to that.
    It's not a bad character (like I said I came up with my own as a kid) I'd love to see DC take it on, (again I indicated Rosabelle Mendez (Pantha), or DC's/Impact/Archie Maria DeGuzman and Ivette Velez (Jaguar), all lend themselves better to it)

    As to Wildcat (for me)

    I'd just prefer she be closer to her old man and uncle, Ted Grant pretty much the template. Is what I meant by the use street level hero.


    But with the claws , I can see them going either way with her (and I'd embrace it). So long as they do use her!
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    Sorry didn't get what you initially meant.

    It is impressive that Yolanda was a latina legacy character introduced in the 80s. I'd have expected something like this in the 90s or 2000s.

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    Nice to see something made with her. I only saw her originating during the COIE and read not much (or rather not anything) anymore about her after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    Sorry didn't get what you initially meant.

    It is impressive that Yolanda was a latina legacy character introduced in the 80s. I'd have expected something like this in the 90s or 2000s.
    Yes it's great! Actually it's the Bronze to 80's gen that was all about building and introducing new characters, (see New X-Men (New Teen Titans) actually two strong women of color here) and had them run alongside their predecessors.
    It's the eXtreme 90's that used them for pure shook value canon fodder, and killed her.
    They took out the new Dr. Midnight (Beth Chapel) in the same purely for shock - bloody strike.


    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    It is impressive that Yolanda was a latina legacy character introduced in the 80s. I'd have expected something like this in the 90s or 2000s.
    As far as being a legacy character yes I think it's great, as a tool to introduce a new character, but the new characters need to evolve into their own, name/identity, or they will be used as canon fodder by later writers (see above).
    Or when the original is inevitably brought back.
    If they are used long term, and become popular in their own right, with their own fan base, they tend to inherit the ire and a backlash from the fans of the originals, which for me as a fan of many new legacy characters and the classics, is painful to see.
    Check the schism with Blue Beetle fans, instead of expanding the fan-base, they divide it.

    As far as how her and Ted will be used on the upcoming show, I am curious to see what they are doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Güicho View Post
    The idea first appeared in promotional material for the new Infinity Inc. series appearing in All-Star Squadron #28,
    She is shown riding a cat-cycle, and oddly called "La Garro" which makes no sense. La is feminine, Garro (masculine) really means nothing.
    Although La Garra is feminine for "Claw", could be what they meant? And would not have been a bad name.
    However they did not go with the name or look.
    In an All Star Squadron letter column a few issues later (and still before Yolanda actually debuted), Roy admitted that it was supposed to be La Garra and that it was a mistake. Of course it eventually turned into Wildcat which was the right choice. Hated that they felt the need to cripple Ted to make it happen though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultradav View Post
    .Hated that they felt the need to cripple Ted to make it happen though.
    Agree, not a fan of it long term. That's not what happened here though.
    His injury happened during Crisis, where they also took out Barry to transition Wally as the new Flash.
    Huge difference is a few issues later, Ted was already standing up (it was just a story beat so he can do the crotchity "aint nobody replacing me" bit), and he's back ready to be Wildcatting right alongside her. And sticking up for her right to be there too. TOGETHER!

    That was the stet up.
    How they transitioned All-Star/JSA post Crisis is a whole other bigger issue and nightmare, has little to do with Yolanda specifically LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Güicho View Post
    ... oddly called "La Garro" which makes no sense. La is feminine, Garro (masculine) really means nothing.
    Although La Garra is feminine for "Claw", could be what they meant? And would not have been a bad name.
    In an All Star Squadron letter column a few issues later (and still before Yolanda actually debuted), Roy admitted that it was supposed to be La Garra and that it was a mistake.
    I'm not surprised it was a typo (her "Spanglish throughout the series is full of typos any time they used Spanish).
    As I said La Garra (the Claw) seemed what they meant , and as originally intended was actually pretty good name for her.
    It's pretty much how she is revealed...
    Quote Originally Posted by Güicho View Post

    Her "powers" were revealed in #16
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    Should I assume that the Stargirl show has no connection to the CW shows and the fact that a Wildcat (who may or may not have died) appeared on Arrow is of no importance/
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