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    Default Should there be a new political spectrum for mutants?

    Mutants are a diverse lot and it would be naive to assume that they all think the same. It can be assumed that some are more hierarchical than others or have different viewpoints so do you think they should have a spectrum like the common left wing-right wing spectrum we apply to Western politics? Maybe it could revolve around viewpoints about humans or the possibility of social stratification based upon superpowers. Also, can the old left wing-right wing paradigm still apply to mutants?

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    Politics is about the distribution of power in a civilization. For humans it’s always been about resources. Mutant power in any distribution will ALWAYS come back to telepathic domination and reality warping wild cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRaymond View Post
    Politics is about the distribution of power in a civilization. For humans it’s always been about resources. Mutant power in any distribution will ALWAYS come back to telepathic domination and reality warping wild cards.
    I have to agree. It comes down to power. There are no econonic issues on Krakoa and every one seems socially liberal. The ruling class are some of the strongest living mutants and that will never change.

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    There's always been the spectrum of belief written into the X-books concerning attitudes towards humanity...

    That's kinda the core theme of the books?

    Magneto (mutants can never fully successfully "integrate/assimilate" into human society, and have to separate themselves as a superior species) vs Xavier (mutants and humanity are capable of total and complete peaceful coexistence and tolerance one day if they just keep striving towards it)?

    Later on there were some other ideologies introduced like En Sabah Nur's (mutants represent the epitome of darwinian struggle and that is the purpose of living, for the most powerful to emerge victorious over those less so), Nathaniel Essex's (mutants should just focus on evolving themselves and becoming "more"), Emma Frost's (mutants should be practical and use their abilities for self attainment and not worry about battling in superpowered fights as much), Cyclops' (mutant and human coexistence likely not possible in near or medium term, mutants should self segregate for own protection while deterring humanity until cultural progress has been reached for assimilation to work out), ... probably more.

    You could possibly come up with a Mystique ideology of nihilism as she's gotten retconned into being a wild free spirit who is fully aware of anti mutant discrimination but doesn't seem to really care that much, and just wants to take advantage of her abilities to make herself amused while she's still alive. This is a version of Raven that clashes with her 1980s version though which was much closer to Magneto/Cyclops ideology of "guerrilla war" against human oppressors and to help rally and inspire other mutants.

    There are probably some self loathing mutants out there (Rogue....? at times. Also Rahne) whose ideology would be closer to "Humans are correct to fear and despise mutants, and that is ok, mutants should probably willingly try to lose their abilities and turn into regular humans"

    If you want to try to analyze the mutant characters on our real-world political spectrum... hoo boy. That would turn this thread into a massive flamewar because obviously people wouldn't even agree on definitions in the first place. And then subjective valuations of what political preferences are Good or not would cause a lot of heated stuff. Probably not wise...

    I suppose if I HAD TO... I would argue the Magneto side is more Left (seeks to change status quo, boost the oppressed, "fight the power"), Xavier side is "Centrist" or "Mild Conservative" (go along to get along with Powers That Be, mild incremental tinkering around edges). En Sabah Nur "Fascist" pretty explicitly. Nathaniel Essex kind of apolitical /technocratic. Emma Frost "libertarian". Cyclops (during 2000s and early 2010s) on the Left like Magneto. Mystique "Libertine" which is somewhat like a "Hedonist/Post Feminist" type viewpoint, could be viewed as Enlightened Left maybe, or just really irresponsible. Rogue/Rahne PoV basically Traditional Right of sort of sucking up to and adhering to long-established norms without questioning or rebelling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CRaymond View Post
    Politics is about the distribution of power in a civilization. For humans itís always been about resources. Mutant power in any distribution will ALWAYS come back to telepathic domination and reality warping wild cards.
    Yeah, I think mutant hierarchy will most likely be power dependent if anything.
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    Its ridiculous to think mutant politics will revolve around how they view humans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuck frump View Post
    Its ridiculous to think mutant politics will revolve around how they view humans.
    I dunno, it seems like human politics in these books revolves on how they view mutants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Thunderbird View Post
    Mutants are a diverse lot and it would be naive to assume that they all think the same. It can be assumed that some are more hierarchical than others or have different viewpoints so do you think they should have a spectrum like the common left wing-right wing spectrum we apply to Western politics? Maybe it could revolve around viewpoints about humans or the possibility of social stratification based upon superpowers. Also, can the old left wing-right wing paradigm still apply to mutants?
    Definitely. To all those points. Look, it doesn't matter how united a front people can put up; individuals are still individuals. Not one situation looks identical through two sets of eyes.

    Mutants will no doubt have their own perceptions and biases around powers, plus differing attitudes in regards to the humans they've interacted with, just as any of us do about anyone. There's always going to be people who say "Well, clearly I'm more useful, because I can create fire! You just have really big eyes!" and, especially in building a new nation, that stuff's gonna come up a lot.

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    As long as we're all agreed the 05 vote conservative, from farthest to the right to closest to the center: Cyclops - Jean Grey - Angel - Iceman - Beast

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuck frump View Post
    As long as we're all agreed the 05 vote conservative, from farthest to the right to closest to the center: Cyclops - Jean Grey - Angel - Iceman - Beast
    No, I don't agree with that, assuming we're keeping the parallel of American politics. Even UK politics is awful on the right...a lot of unnecessary death, racism and discrimination...

    I think on the right: Magneto, Polaris, Mystique, Sabretooth

    And the O5 would fall more into the left and centre. Logan might fall slightly more to the right, but then...actually, nah, I can see him just being out of politics altogether and just judging everything on a case-by-case basis with his claws.
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    Ignoring political spectrum debates, mutants should be a diverse lot with diverse opinions and beliefs, and not all of them should get along or be compatable. The X-Men should stand for human/mutant peace and stand for all mutants, but that doesn't mean that all mutants agree with the X-Men's beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordUltimus View Post
    Ignoring political spectrum debates, mutants should be a diverse lot with diverse opinions and beliefs, and not all of them should get along or be compatable. The X-Men should stand for human/mutant peace and stand for all mutants, but that doesn't mean that all mutants agree with the X-Men's beliefs.
    I like that outlook!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuck frump View Post
    As long as we're all agreed the 05 vote conservative, from farthest to the right to closest to the center: Cyclops - Jean Grey - Angel - Iceman - Beast
    Cyclops being farthest to the right makes no sense, though. We're talking about the man who tried to started a revolution and was beating cops for excessive violence.

    Jean is certainly no right-winger, but she's a closer to a shallow liberal who thinks half of the world's billionaires should be women, instead of having no billionaires at all.

    Beast and Angel are probably more leaning towards conservative right. Iceman is the kind of guy who thinks politics is separated from other spheres of life.
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    I guess if Krakoa becomes a democratic nation, then we could see new political parties: X-crats, Hellfire Party, The Blue Party, Survival Party
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutant God View Post
    I guess if Krakoa becomes a democratic nation, then we could see new political parties: X-crats, Hellfire Party, The Blue Party, Survival Party
    This is one of the reasons why I'd like to see Krakoa become a democracy. Not only to set it apart from the usual Marvel state monarchies but also to highlight the ideological differences of the X-Men. There can also be elections for each new status quo change that sets the mood for things to come.

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