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    Cyclops has probably never voted in his life, period.

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    There's always been the spectrum of belief written into the X-books concerning attitudes towards humanity...

    That's kinda the core theme of the books?

    Magneto (mutants can never fully successfully "integrate/assimilate" into human society, and have to separate themselves as a superior species) vs Xavier (mutants and humanity are capable of total and complete peaceful coexistence and tolerance one day if they just keep striving towards it)?

    Later on there were some other ideologies introduced like En Sabah Nur's (mutants represent the epitome of darwinian struggle and that is the purpose of living, for the most powerful to emerge victorious over those less so), Nathaniel Essex's (mutants should just focus on evolving themselves and becoming "more"), Emma Frost's (mutants should be practical and use their abilities for self attainment and not worry about battling in superpowered fights as much), Cyclops' (mutant and human coexistence likely not possible in near or medium term, mutants should self segregate for own protection while deterring humanity until cultural progress has been reached for assimilation to work out), ... probably more.

    You could possibly come up with a Mystique ideology of nihilism as she's gotten retconned into being a wild free spirit who is fully aware of anti mutant discrimination but doesn't seem to really care that much, and just wants to take advantage of her abilities to make herself amused while she's still alive. This is a version of Raven that clashes with her 1980s version though which was much closer to Magneto/Cyclops ideology of "guerrilla war" against human oppressors and to help rally and inspire other mutants.

    There are probably some self loathing mutants out there (Rogue....? at times. Also Rahne) whose ideology would be closer to "Humans are correct to fear and despise mutants, and that is ok, mutants should probably willingly try to lose their abilities and turn into regular humans"

    If you want to try to analyze the mutant characters on our real-world political spectrum... hoo boy. That would turn this thread into a massive flamewar because obviously people wouldn't even agree on definitions in the first place. And then subjective valuations of what political preferences are Good or not would cause a lot of heated stuff. Probably not wise...

    I suppose if I HAD TO... I would argue the Magneto side is more Left (seeks to change status quo, boost the oppressed, "fight the power"), Xavier side is "Centrist" or "Mild Conservative" (go along to get along with Powers That Be, mild incremental tinkering around edges). En Sabah Nur "Fascist" pretty explicitly. Nathaniel Essex kind of apolitical /technocratic. Emma Frost "libertarian". Cyclops (during 2000s and early 2010s) on the Left like Magneto. Mystique "Libertine" which is somewhat like a "Hedonist/Post Feminist" type viewpoint, could be viewed as Enlightened Left maybe, or just really irresponsible. Rogue/Rahne PoV basically Traditional Right of sort of sucking up to and adhering to long-established norms without questioning or rebelling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tuck frump View Post
    Yes to all of this. Iceman and Jean are also very bigoted which can be traced back to their upbringing. Warren cannonically votes republican. Beast is an ineffective liberal centrist buffoon.
    Wolverine is a libertarian.


    lmao you really want to let the XMen fanbase make any kind of creative decision?
    Source please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuck frump View Post
    lmao you really want to let the XMen fanbase make any kind of creative decision?
    Online fans finding out in horror that the majority of X-fans are ideologically hard right will be an amazing recreation of that election night SNL skit with Dave Chapelle and Chris Rock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maestroneto View Post
    Online fans finding out in horror that the majority of X-fans are ideologically hard right will be an amazing recreation of that election night SNL skit with Dave Chapelle and Chris Rock.
    I mean we're pretty stacked as far as hard right goes on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Thunderbird View Post
    Source please?


    let me guess. It wasnt her fault and she didnt mean it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRaymond View Post
    Politics is about the distribution of power in a civilization. For humans itís always been about resources. Mutant power in any distribution will ALWAYS come back to telepathic domination and reality warping wild cards.
    Yeah, I think mutant hierarchy will most likely be power dependent if anything.
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    Its ridiculous to think mutant politics will revolve around how they view humans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuck frump View Post


    let me guess. It wasnt her fault and she didnt mean it.
    It literally wasn't. She was under mind control. Are we going to blame Cyclops for killing Professor X while under control of the Phoenix Force?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuck frump View Post
    Its ridiculous to think mutant politics will revolve around how they view humans.
    I dunno, it seems like human politics in these books revolves on how they view mutants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuck frump View Post
    let me guess. It wasnt her fault and she didnt mean it.
    Eh, if we threatened to cancel all white people who ever dreamed of doing this to their black best friends, that would probably be its own form of genocide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordUltimus View Post
    When was this made canon, by the by?
    BKV's solo mini of him, in the Morrison era.

    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    Well, when the authority in question is biased against you and yours, it's pretty understandable. What I see with Cyclops is more that he'd be happy to abide by the rules of a system that would give him and his people a fair shake at being heard and represented, but since the system currently in place is intractably biased against people like him, he's no longer trying to play by its rules. In fact, that kind of argument is also present in real life, given all the accusations of ingrained bias within the American criminal justice system; why should people who have gotten nothing but abuse, brutalization, and degradation from a system that is supposed to protect and serve everyone be bothered to see its rulings regarding them as legitimate, especially when there are people who skate on (more) serious crimes against others just because they have money or the judges feel inclined to take it easy on them for being part of the same in-group?

    That said, if mutants were to have a new political spectrum, I would see it defined in these three categories, at least to start --- isolationist, integrationist, and imperialist. Isolationist would be "the humans can do whatever they want as long as they don't come after us, and in turn we won't bother them." Integrationist would be "we can still try to live together in peace if humans are willing to concede and respect our right to exist." Imperialist would be "humans have had control of this world more than long enough, and look at what they have done with it; it's time for new stewards of the planet now, and they will be us."
    Yes, and Apocalypse would clearly be the leader of the last part, but now as a member of a legitimate political party.

    Quote Originally Posted by tuck frump View Post
    Cyclops has probably never voted in his life, period.
    I strongly doubt that. Someone like Wolverine wouldn't care about voting at all, but most X-men would.

    Quote Originally Posted by tuck frump View Post
    Its ridiculous to think mutant politics will revolve around how they view humans.
    It's less about how their view humans and more about what mutants should do with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordUltimus View Post
    It literally wasn't. She was under mind control. Are we going to blame Cyclops for killing Professor X while under control of the Phoenix Force?
    No she wasn't. Did you even read the DPS? Mastermind is an illusionist, not a telepath. If Jean wasn't in control of her actions, the entire purpose of the story would be defeated. He made her seen things that werent there and released her of her inhibitions. Her reactions were on us.

    And Cyclops took responsibility for killing Xavier in Bendis run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuck frump View Post
    No she wasn't. Did you even read the DPS? Mastermind is an illusionist, not a telepath. If Jean wasn't in control of her actions, the entire purpose of the story would be defeated. He made her seen things that werent there and released her of her inhibitions. Her reactions were on us.

    And Cyclops took responsibility for killing Xavier in Bendis run.
    If he was just an illusionist, how did she think she was her own ancestor and forget her life?

    Did Emma take responsibility for that father she killed in front of his family for not reporting a mutant he accidentally killed years ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordUltimus View Post
    If he was just an illusionist, how did she think she was her own ancestor and forget her life?

    Did Emma take responsibility for that father she killed in front of his family for not reporting a mutant he accidentally killed years ago?
    Porbably not, but in fairness fuck that person.
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