Yes
No
Up until she turned into Dark Phoenix and was free of Mastermind's hold, yeah she didnt have complete agency. And that wasnt a good chunk of the story, but rather like 2 issues. She legit thought she was living in the 1700s and Mastermind was her great love bc thats what he wanted her to believe.
Cyclops explained what was happening. Jean did become the HFC puppet and this illusion was the ruse that Mastermind used to control her. He was in over his head though as she eventually broke free of it but it left her messed up in other ways
She flipped out when she realized that he tried to enslave her. He took away her agency and manipulated her thoughts and perception
Last edited by Havok83; 11-11-2019 at 03:40 PM.
"This is starting to sound like a bad comic book plot"
-Spider-man
“Evil is evil...lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same."
-Geralt of Rivia
The entire Phoenix saga was about her embracing her nasty side, specifically when it comes to sex. Theres a panel in the scene where she and Scott are meeting Dazzler for the first time, shes thinking to herself how she can read the (sexual) thoughts of everyone around her and how she finds it both disgusting and fascinating. Mastermind exploited that (she wouldnt date regular Mastermind but she was into Jason Wyngarde, not because she was coerced into it but because he made himself look like what she would desire) and in the same way the 1700s setting was presented to her as a way to tempt her but none of the choices she made during that time were imposed on her. At least thats how it always read to me, but this is a good point to argue about, certainly better then "do we all hate Jean Grey and conspire to make her look bad y/n?"
As I said a few times in other topics, I don't mind if my fav is not perfect, if she doesn't shine or is not the spotlight. But I need my fav to be in character. In a greater story, than counting her panel time or power points. I loved Morrison's run, because she wasn't perfect. She had a temper, could be abusive, as much as she could be full of compassion... But she wasn't the main star of the book. All the X-Men were. Hank, Emma, Scott, Logan...
Sure, so lets make threads about Nightcrawler, Rogue, and Gambit being repeating offenders for unwanted sexual contact.
Threads about how Emma blew up blimps of innocent people and was predatory toward teenage Cyclops and is now running the 21st century East Indian Trading Company. She also tried to steal Storm's body before Jordan Peele was even born lol.
Threads about Wolverine thinking Squirrel Girl is sexually attractive.
Threads about Beast fantasizing over Jean in her Marvel Girl outfit.
Threads about Iceman hating the diverse All-New All-Different team.
Threads about Dazzler existing as a white disco diva lol
Threads about Northstar being part of a terrorist cell.
etc
Every character has problematic elements in their publishing history since it's a book created in the 1960s and written by white guys since. It's very easy to weaponize that history if you dislike a specific character, and I just don't see the point.
Storm is drawn with darker eyes and a wider nose when she's a slave compared to when she's a superhero. Did Jean draw the comics too?
Last edited by Strong Girl Daken; 11-11-2019 at 04:00 PM.
He made his peace with Jean before dying. Not much drama to be had there but Id like to see Jean clash with the Mastermind sisters.