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No
Exactly
Which is what makes their friendship so much more believable and authentic.
I don’t know about OP. But I have gone through some very tense times with my best friend, questioned them and their morality and opinions at times. But that depth is what makes us so close.
Your favorite superhero- the one you visit these forums to talk about. Would they talk to others the way you do on this message board?
The issue is, for the sake of Argument some of us have said “ok,
Maybe jean had racist thoughts at the time of the DPS”, yet that doesn’t disqualify the two from being best friends. People grow, change- friendships endure dark times.
It’s like two separate things are being talked about in this thread.
Your favorite superhero- the one you visit these forums to talk about. Would they talk to others the way you do on this message board?
ALL HAIL THE HADARI YAO, THE OMEGA'S OMEGA, BEYOND OMEGA, THE VOICE OF SOL!!!! NOW AGAIN THE ONE TRUE AND ONLY GODDESS OF THE X-MEN AS CLAREMONT INTENDED!!!!!
In that scene, that takes place before the Phoenix Saga, Ororo fights a Jean Robot. But Ororo is real. And what does she say ?
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"A happy ending? So unlikely. We're not having a moment here.
Wrong city, wrong people, all huddling in fear.
No one escapes the slaughterhouse, and that's just where you're at.
(You could've asked Rebecca but then Adam stomped her flat.)
You think you're special cuz you're scrappy? You're deluded, time to go.
Lucy's living on the moon but you're another dead psycho."
When a character is dead for 14 years, yes, I think writers want, at first, to focus a bit on her.
But Jean knows what friendship is :
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And Jean is the kind of warm comforting friend :
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And Jean is seen, by many fans, like the heart of the X-Men...
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Remember when Mystique had a nightmare about Lady Grey cutting her throat ? Jean Grey was dead at the time. It was not a nightmare actually, it was all Mastermind toying with Mystique. This was HIS fantasy of what Jean Grey should be.
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"The means are as important as the end - we have to do this right or not at all.
Anything less negates every belief we've ever had, every sacrifice we've ever made."
"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
"No justice, no peace."
I am quite sick of people women against each other for no reason.
Theres also the fact there wasnt much time to think on this for Ororo before Jean died and stayed dead for years. Things were a little tense between XMen and XFactor when they first met in XFactor but the racial aspect was put aside.
But maybe it shouldnt have been. Years later, during Eve of Destruction, Jean formed a team to rescue the XMen from Magneto. She scraps the litteral bottom of the barrel to find people who will willingly follow her in battle bht when thats not enough, she has the interesting idea of taking over mutant mind (which has been referred in this thread as a form of rape) and forcing her to fight for her (enslaving her in effect). And her choice of target is.... inch resting:
Forcing one's will on an unsuspecting victim is treated as extremely immoral in the XMen narrative. Jean knows that better then anyone but apparently these rules don't apply when it comes to black women. And how can Jean justify being Ororo's friend when, after the previous incident of her treating Storm as a slave, she's doing the same thing to another black woman here, while being completely sound of mind. Notice her smug response to Magneto when confronted. What a sociopath.
It's funny, when Frost was doing this to that russian ambassador back in HoX, you were shrugging that off as inconsequential and "who cares? that's a flatscan anyway"...
But now, it's akin to"rape", the act of a sociopath as you put it.
So which is it tuck frump? You seem to have a very hypocritical perspective on this topic. Or are you just into it like the OP, for the sake of trolling Jean Grey and her fans?
"The means are as important as the end - we have to do this right or not at all.
Anything less negates every belief we've ever had, every sacrifice we've ever made."
"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
"No justice, no peace."