Is Jean Grey Really Ororo's Best Friend?

[franckd]

Ignoring all the Jean-bashing derailment, I think some people's arguments are based on the false premise that best friends are perfect and never do things to intentionally or unintentionally hurt each other. Ororo has made it clear time and again Jean is her best friend. It doesn't matter if Jean has hurt her in some way, or she's spent more time with some of the other female X-Men, or she's been more intimate with others. Ororo feels that Jean is her best friend. That's really all there is to it.

Exactly, real friendship is not just "butterflies and rainbows"...
Xavier and Magneto still consider themselves as friends, after all the fights and abuse they went through.

[BitParallel]

Rhodey and Tony too. Their friendship is the best and they’ve fought few times.

[JB]

I'm pretty sure everyone here had already read Dark Phoenix saga ages ago. And no one thought Jean was racist until Leah Williams said/implied that on twitter. Why are y'all suddenly acting like you never knew about that scene before? It's literally so dumb.

Co-signed. Until Storm says Jean is NOT her best friend, she is, and anyone saying otherwise is calling into question Storm's judgment. Whoop.

[tuck frump]

The latest issue of Marvel 1001 inspired this thought and I think I can conclude that Jean really isn't her friend. A few things have occurred throughout their relationship that helped me come to this conclusion.

1. In the Classic Xmen story, Jean exerted her privilege when judging Ororo about not needing to wear clothing. They later would go on a girls night out on the town and Jean committed the ultimate sin and violated Ororo by reading her mind without her permission:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/storm...riend-2049096/



Ororo eventually forgave Jean as she came up with some lame excuse about not being able to control her powers but that wouldnt be the last time Jean would wrong her.

During the Dark Phoenix saga, Jean's ultimate desires were being fulfilled via Mastermind. One of those fantasies was reliving the colonial period in which she viewed Ororo as a slave and treated her accordingly:



I think this was probably the worst thing she could have done to Ororo and for me it sealed the deal on this question for me.

Nevertheless, it was recently revealed that during a period after Jean returned from the death of Phoenix Ororo left the xmen for a brief period and Jean didnt care about her emotions, why she left and even acknowledged she was a jerk but was glad to see her leave:



Lastly, Jean helped push Forge to ultimately end up breaking off his engagement to Ororo. This was one of the happiest moments of Ororo's life yet Jean in her instigation ruined that moment for her:

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This resulted in him lashing out on Ororo and breaking off the engagement, which she was going to say yes to:


https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/up...g internet.jpg

These things Jean has done Ororo never even knew. How can Jean truly be her friend when she harbors such thoughts against ororo ? So I don't think that Jean is a friend or at the very least hasnt been a good friend to Ororo. What are your thoughts?

Of course Jean has a black best friend, that's why she can't be a racist.

[tuck frump]

I'm pretty sure everyone here had already read Dark Phoenix saga ages ago. And no one thought Jean was racist until Leah Williams said/implied that on twitter. Why are y'all suddenly acting like you never knew about that scene before? It's literally so dumb.

This has been a debate on this forum for at least a decade.

[Wiccan]

This has been a debate on this forum for at least a decade.

Well, at least for 4 years, which is the time I've been here, it hadn't came up until that tweet.

[Havok83]

Yes they are. Its canon

Well, at least for 4 years, which is the time I've been here, it hadn't came up until that tweet.

Ive been here much longer and I dont recall that at all until Leah

[Triniking1234]

10 pages of reaching to make Jean look bad. lmao.

As a member of the Mister Fantastic Fan Club, I'm impressed.

Well, at least for 4 years, which is the time I've been here, it hadn't came up until that tweet.

Did you really believe tuck frump?

[tuck frump]

Well, at least for 4 years, which is the time I've been here, it hadn't came up until that tweet.

Yes they are. Its canon

Ive been here much longer and I dont recall that at all until Leah

The argument that Leah Williams was the first person to ever bat an eye at such a controversial aspect of THE most popular XMen story of all time is both amusing and insulting. Trying to tie this conversation to twitter outrage culture is basically saying this is no big deal and people are just looking for stuff to be offended. There's plenty of posters who can confirm this conversation has been going for since long before CBR forums reboot, you can also easily find articles online discussing it predating Leah's 2018 tweet, but even if she'd been the first one to point it out its still a discussion to be had and I really don't care whether people think I'm trolling or not. This is a message board and you don't have to take part in every conversation, or any conversation at all if you don't like it. Let others do their thing.

[Havok83]

The argument that Leah Williams was the first person to ever bat an eye at such a controversial aspect of THE most popular XMen story of all time is both amusing and insulting. Trying to tie this conversation to twitter outrage culture is basically saying this is no big deal and people are just looking for stuff to be offended. There's plenty of posters who can confirm this conversation has been going for since long before CBR forums reboot, you can also easily find articles online discussing it predating Leah's 2018 tweet, but even if she'd been the first one to point it out its still a discussion to be had and I really don't care whether people think I'm trolling or not. This is a message board and you don't have to take part in every conversation, or any conversation at all if you don't like it. Let others do their thing.

No one said Leah was the first person ever since that issue came out over 35 years ago

[Black Queen]

No one said Leah was the first person ever since that issue came out over 35 years ago

She even got called out by some people if I remember correctly

[Triniking1234]

"Trying to tie this conversation to twitter outrage culture is basically saying this is no big deal and people are just looking for stuff to be offended"

Yeah cuz the story was around since most of us here were born (sorry Snoop, you boomer) and no one cared until Leah's interpretation of the story.

"you can also easily find articles online discussing it predating Leah's 2018 tweet"

go fetch.

even if she'd been the first one to point it out its still a discussion to be had and I really don't care whether people think I'm trolling or not. This is a message board and you don't have to take part in every conversation, or any conversation at all if you don't like it. Let others do their thing.

Saying we disagree is part of the discussion.

[spirit2011]

She even got called out by some people if I remember correctly

Yeah people called her out, and then she gave some bad excuse.

No one said Leah was the first person ever since that issue came out over 35 years ago

[tuck frump]

I'm pretty sure everyone here had already read Dark Phoenix saga ages ago. And no one thought Jean was racist until Leah Williams said/implied that on twitter. Why are y'all suddenly acting like you never knew about that scene before? It's literally so dumb.

Well, at least for 4 years, which is the time I've been here, it hadn't came up until that tweet.

Yes they are. Its canon



Ive been here much longer and I dont recall that at all until Leah

Yeah cuz the story was around since most of us here were born (sorry Snoop, you boomer) and no one cared until Leah's interpretation of the story.

No one said Leah was the first person ever since that issue came out over 35 years ago

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[franckd]

10 pages of reaching to make Jean look bad. lmao.

Exactly. When I see some specific profiles, I know in advance what their post/message will be about. Some fans here put so much energy bashing a character they hate. It's both hilarious and ridiculous at the same time. We're comic readers. Aren't we supposed to 30 yo and more? We shouldn't behave like 8 yo kids, no? And then, after a few thoughts, I remember how much some creators can also bitch/bash each others like children. Maturity is a long, long way in and behind the comics world.