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So in all honesty, what was your intention behind the thread/poll? It seems to me, and perhaps a few others, that it was intended to further divide. As you said yourself, Ororo loves Jean and Jean loves Ororo. It's, to me, one of the most beautiful relationships we get to read. Please help me understand why we can't have nice things!
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This is a message board. Further divide what?
Multiple writers and editors in the past have spoke of Jean being more important in death. Its a valid point of discussion. And the thread was nuked because people complained. Which is starting to become a trend lately and some posters should really now better then to enable this kind of attitude where one whiny faction of the forum gets to decide what can and cant be discussed.
ALL HAIL THE HADARI YAO, THE OMEGA'S OMEGA, BEYOND OMEGA, THE VOICE OF SOL!!!! NOW AGAIN THE ONE TRUE AND ONLY GODDESS OF THE X-MEN AS CLAREMONT INTENDED!!!!!
Well, the fan who created the thread had a long post history of Jean bashing in his profile. I mean, almost all of his messages, in any threads, were against Jean. If the thread was a valid point, I don't think it was genuinely created for debate. But to fuel some obsessive grudge against a fictional character.
PS : I have checked. The original poster of the deleted thread has been banned.
Anyway, to be back on topic, I really think that love, like friendship, is not "all rational". Like parents love their kids very much, even when they do mistakes. I think Ororo's love for Jean is real, and Jean loves Ororo too. I'm happy that many writers got it right. And I regret that they don't spend more time together. But hey, no drama no panel time I suppose.
ALL HAIL THE HADARI YAO, THE OMEGA'S OMEGA, BEYOND OMEGA, THE VOICE OF SOL!!!! NOW AGAIN THE ONE TRUE AND ONLY GODDESS OF THE X-MEN AS CLAREMONT INTENDED!!!!!
I have no idea how I managed to miss this gem, but holy hell. Let’s go one further. You ever think about how Xavier, Jean and Emma have all used their white privileged and assumed superiority to manipulate Ororo as the “naive little savage.” Xavier either lied or was grossly misinformed about her power and heritage. He then inserted himself into her life as the great white savior and convinced her to discontinue her own good works.
Jean Grey has shamed Ororo into conforming to her social standards multiple times. Ororo is not a telepath. She has no way of knowing Jean’s thoughts. Jean has intruded on Ororo’s tho. Then managed to shame Ororo for feeling violated. And now fans are suggesting that Ororo is the naive little savage that’s too uncivilized to know when Jean is belittling her? Lol I cannot.
Then there’s Emma Frost who has shown nothing but jealousy and contempt for Ororo over the years. She stole her body and allowed Sebastian Shaw to have his way with it and thought nothing of it. That only after mentally torturing her for who knows how long. She taunted and provoked her about her marriage whenever she could. And she made a complete fool of Storm after she went against her better judgement to trust Emma.
But Storm is meant to forgive and never question the subtle micro aggressions these three have leveled against her. It trips me out sometimes.
Sure, Jean should apologize, and sincerely, for any mistakes she makes. She's not perfect (and I love that she's not)
When I do a mistake, I do apologize. And I mean it. That's the only way to grow up I think.
Being right for being right when you're wrong, is - imo - quite egocentric. You waste time, because you don't want to take responsibility. So you can't be a better person, and elevate.
Don't let anyone else hold the candle that lights the way to your future because only you can sustain the flame.
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#ByeMarvEN
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A message board where if you disagree with someone, you can be accused of going "through every type of mental gymnastics to unburden a white woman of her racism". That's a massive assumption about people you likely don't know just because they have a differing opinion. That's why I asked the OP what their intention was, rather than assuming.
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I think it's more is Frump logic, than Jean logic.
I guess, all the characters who made mistakes should have regrets, and yes, should apologize. But with all the mistakes made by the team members, if we had to go back to 56 years of X history, we'd need a book just for that matter.