Bendis wanted to have a morally gray conflict, but the writer for Wolverine was Jason Aaron. Which meant that Cyclops was a mix of Satan and Skeletor whose piss is pure liquid malevolence when it was Aaron at the pen. So Bendis had to write Cyclops as an angel to simply counteract Aaron's damage.
The Cyclops vs Bishop bad writing/character heel turn. In think i this comparison you have to look at the long term damage. What happened to Cyke did not and has not stuck, while in the case of Bishop it is something that will stick with the character for a long time. When Bishop is mentioned some people still focus on him trying to kill Hope and committing genocide, while you hardly hear of anyone comparing Cyke to Hitler. Both were bad for the characters, but it has affected how Bishop is viewed more, imo.
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Yes outside of the X-men and extended family many do not have knowledge of what Bishop did during the time jaunts. Some X-fans still have what Bishop did as a crucial point of his history with the X-men.. I think in the realm of fandom what Bishop did is still a stain on his character.
But, imo, the main goal at the time was to remove Cyclops from the X-books and put other characters in the spotlight. Marvel chose to do so by making him evil, using a time skip and trying to build some cheap mistery about the horrible thing he did.
Thats why he wasn't character assassinated on page, they wanted to do it off panel, what probably saved the carácter.
Didn't Aaron start Schism as well? But to be fair to Aaron, the dude wrote a (tone deaf) reconciliation chapter between Cyke and Logan. But editorial / future authors decided to ignore that in favor of the "Cyke is evil" narrative.
Honestly? I've been advocating for a while that it'd actually be nice if the writers had shown Cyke to be this moustache-twirling hybrid of Satan and Skeletor. But in the end, we got a lot of on-panel telling / whining, and when they finally tried to show Cyke's misdeed in Death of X, we find out that it wasn't actually Cyke, and the biggest thing Cyke actually did was try to stop a fart cloud from killing mutants. Show the dude actually committing genocide to justify the allegations. I'm not even going to bother touching AvX because by this point, everyone's got their own opinions on what went down. Suffice it to say, Cyke's got the plausible alibi of Phoenix Possession / Madness. Like... I don't know? That doesn't sound as bad as Bishop blowing up a planet in his quest to kill a child...
In Bishop's case, Marvel could have actually written a better redemption story for him instead of Uncanny X-Force's route of demon bear possession and claiming to be just as much Hope's dad as Cable. Looking at it from Bishop's perspective, Hope was the herald to his bad future, and he was doing all he could to prevent it.
Let your wallet talk.
Never forget, Cyke fans~ https://twitter.com/i/status/1246248602768486402
Jean had more presence in death than Cyke in Hickman's entire run.
Hickman succeeded where 2010s Marvel didn't: make the X-Men villainous and irrelevant.
Hilariously, the X-Men have now fully embraced mutant supremacy and racism against humans.
For other Cyke-centered stories by a Cyclops fan: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/1008144...ffle-or-Boogie
It was brought back on Uncanny x-force and also on Disamssembled.
Cyclops was forgiven the moment they knew that it wasn't Cyclops doing, but it was Emma illusion
The hwole Bendis run was a redempiton of Scott and him abandoning violence/extreme ways.
Bishop wasn't under possession of Demon Bear when he was after Hope.
The only way Bishop could be reasonable is if Hope really causes his distopian future. The narrative clearly put it as he was wrong.
It could be a nice narrative if what saves mutants could also doom them on the future, but they went the simplistic way with character assassination
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Well Cyclops was for a long time reviled by other characters in universe, I think that the reason that the "Evil Cyclops" didn't stick is because the reader out universe talked about how ridiculous was trying to compare Cyclops, with Cyclops when the worst thing he did was exactly trying to avoid that a very uptight and classist society exterminated his race via poisonous cloud. While there is not a lot of excuse for Bishop actions still he was just occasionally called out about it once he stooped.
"And you eater of world. May you taste our righteous fire, And choke on it. For my planet's sake, I spit my last breath at thee"
I mean, basically this. Readers saw Bishop do some heinous stuff and whether or not that's horrendously OOC or has been properly addressed, it's canon. Hilter-clops is all based on writers and editors assuring us that Cyclops did something very, very bad, really awful, and everyone believes this because the Inhumans say so... and practically none of that is on the page.
"Wow. You made Spider-Man sad, congratulations. I stabbed The Hulk last week"
Wolverine, Venom Annual # 1 (2018)
Nobody does it better by Jeff Loveness
"I am Thou, Thou Art I"
Persona
I think this was supposed to happen, but like Aaron's reconciliation issue, it got ignored by future writers. In this case, Rosenbublé.
I was honestly banking on this post-AvX. Like, a callback to Avengers X-Sanction when Cable was warning Cyke not to let the Avengers get their hands on Hope. But alas, nothing came out of that. In hindsight, it was silly getting hyped up over these loosely-connected comic books.
Let your wallet talk.
Never forget, Cyke fans~ https://twitter.com/i/status/1246248602768486402
Jean had more presence in death than Cyke in Hickman's entire run.
Hickman succeeded where 2010s Marvel didn't: make the X-Men villainous and irrelevant.
Hilariously, the X-Men have now fully embraced mutant supremacy and racism against humans.
For other Cyke-centered stories by a Cyclops fan: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/1008144...ffle-or-Boogie