So, um... can we talk about the Wakanda/Krakoa conflict?

[JB]

I don't see much of a conflict between them *yet* but I dunno, it bugged me that Wakanda doesn't need the drugs which means they have life-saving drugs, which means they are not sharing with the world? Or did they say they didn't need them out of some kind of spite? Again, no conflict yet in my eyes but these seem to be questions that will be explored later.

[MaceWindu]

I thought Wakanda had tight control over their vibranium stock, how could AIM or Stryker evangelical goons steal it?

It is extremely unlikely (not to mention just illogical) that Wakanda had anything to do with Purifiers or Orchis. They wouldn't have given them vibranium and like you said, it's damn hard to steal.

Much more likely...writers just like throwing around the word 'vibranium'. It's a buzz word, more exciting than saying something's made out of titanium or whatever.

[chief12d]

https://worldofblackheroes.files.wor...uences-1-7.jpg

No mention of the XMen.

That’s not saying all mutants are banned. Storm says that Wakanda is at war after the Atlantean surprise attack and reminds Wolverine of the fact that Namor was also fighting under a “mutant flag” which means Utopia and the X-Men. They are the leaders of mutantkind and the bannermen for the “nation” that is mutantdom.

Because of their association with Namor (an X-Man who slaughtered thousands of Wakandans), it seems to be made clear here that those involved in the conflict or associated with the X-Men are not allowed in the kingdom. Storm is still drawing a contrast between Wakanda and a mutant nation (as represented in the X-Men) but she’s not suggesting that Wakanda has a problem with mutants as a whole (those not directly associated with the x-men or a mutant flag).

[RachelGrey]

XForce data page clearly indicated Krakoa maintained friendly relationships with non treaty nations. Wakanda in turn has citizens joining the Reavers. But somehow its gonna get turned into the writers at fault so we can circumvent discussing the inuniverse mechanic.

Orchis main base of operations is in Wakanda with full support from the government. Wakanda is also leading that insane group that just skinned Domino alive. All anti-mutant activities world wide are being led by Wakanda, and Wakanda is planning to kill every mutant on Earth using weaponized Terrigen Gas!

[Maestroneto]

I don't see much of a conflict between them *yet* but I dunno, it bugged me that Wakanda doesn't need the drugs which means they have life-saving drugs, which means they are not sharing with the world? Or did they say they didn't need them out of some kind of spite? Again, no conflict yet in my eyes but these seem to be questions that will be explored later.

They’ve had the cure for cancer for quite a while.

[gurkle]

Ambassador Pryde's diplomatic skills will settle all this intra-minority conflict.

[RachelGrey]

Ambassador Pryde's diplomatic skills will settle all this intra-minority conflict.

I suppose there is a context of both people using racist slurs to argue with each other. Phil calling her a Mutie is the same him calling her a Kyke or other slur against Jewish people. Kitty using a slur back is her immaturity because that isn't the best way to handle someone who is being racist to you first!

In the end it shouldn't have ever been used and it was Claremont writing Kitty, and in the present day this panel would never have been approved.

[tuck frump]

Orchis main base of operations is in Wakanda with full support from the government. Wakanda is also leading that insane group that just skinned Domino alive. All anti-mutant activities world wide are being led by Wakanda, and Wakanda is planning to kill every mutant on Earth using weaponized Terrigen Gas!

XForce script confirmed there was a Wakandan woman among the guys who skinned Domino. Maybe start with deep inspirations and then go back and read it.

[Beetle]

Also I don't recall anyone saying Krakoa was trying to oust the government of Wakanda

[RachelGrey]

XForce script confirmed there was a Wakandan woman among the guys who skinned Domino. Maybe start with deep inspirations and then go back and read it.

Didn't Wakanda have their own extremist groups though, she is probably a member of one of those groups. In truth I don't think Wakanda is looking for a conflict any more than Krakoa is. We'll probably get something at some point.

Maybe we'll all be surprised and find out that T'challa has given Storm secret info on some African countries that are holding mutants illegally and when the Marauders go in to rescue the imprisoned mutants, and the Dora Milaje arrive to provide cover so the Marauders can get the mutants out of the country.

[numberthirty]

When has it been established that Krakoa wants to oust the government of Wakanda?

exactly. nothing to see here.

It's so weird how one sentence got blown up like this. Maybe I missed something but is there even a conflict? Xavier made an offer, Wakanda passed. Simple and done. I read it as T'Challa was more indifferent than anything else.

Unless there's something more to this than the infographic reveal that Wakanda didn't sign a treaty with Krakoa, I think this issue is being overblown.

Seriously.

There is right around "Nothing..." pointing to that this is actually taking place.

[People Of The Earth]

I think a conflict of interest is inevitable. I await a meeting between Wakandan officials and The Krakoan representatives. The question could be is this a conflict of individual vs collective or nature vs nurture? Some territories may feel they don't need to accept the Krakoan deal because mutants are not hunted and targeted for extinction. So Wakanda and other nations could view any Black Market activities within their territories as hostile. What happens if a mutant in Wakanda wants refuge but breaks a law in a country not aligned with the deal?

Wakanda could also form their own team of Wakandan born mutants as a group that rallies support for Wakanda and having a defense force against the Maruaders. This could get messy for the X-men. Now what happens if a young mutant is being held against their will by someone using them for their own gains? The X-men freeing them and providing safety could be spun as a kidnapping? If it happens i hope we get good complex build up to this issue?

All interesting questions that will be explored hopefully in the future, by Hickman himself or another talented X-writer if possible.
My understanding of the Marauders is that they aren't officially tied to Krakoa in order to avoid international fallout whenever they operate in foreign countries.
Eventhough it's paperthin defense given all the members are known X-Men associates or mutants who operate with their identities on full display, we can at least assume for now they won't stir trouble for their leaders for the time being.

[tuck frump]

Didn't Wakanda have their own extremist groups though, she is probably a member of one of those groups. In truth I don't think Wakanda is looking for a conflict any more than Krakoa is. We'll probably get something at some point.

The whole point of XForce is to deal with countries pretending to be friendly or neutral while doing some shady stuff. The very fact a Wakandan showed up in issue #1 is a good indication of what to expect. They also dont look to be some random rogue group. Theyre working with the president of Sokovia. A head of state whos must have had dealings with Tchalla. Its very suspicious.

[JB]

Much more likely...writers just like throwing around the word 'vibranium'. It's a buzz word, more exciting than saying something's made out of titanium or whatever.

Normally I would agree but Hickman tends to choose his words wisely.

They’ve had the cure for cancer for quite a while.

Well that's a shame.

XForce script confirmed there was a Wakandan woman among the guys who skinned Domino.

Percy did specifically mention someone at the table "wearing something Wakandan". Perhaps a rogue element is smuggling vibranium out.

[numberthirty]

The whole point of XForce is to deal with countries pretending to be friendly or neutral while doing some shady stuff. The very fact a Wakandan showed up in issue #1 is a good indication of what to expect. They also dont look to be some random rogue group. Theyre working with the president of Sokovia. A head of state whos must have had dealings with Tchalla. Its very suspicious.

Based on what?

A lot of blanks seem like they are being filled in with "Whatever I Want This To Look Like..."