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    Quote Originally Posted by PCN24454 View Post
    You act as though it hasn’t been done before.
    And it hadn't been done in any Superman cartoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PCN24454 View Post
    Actually, Weisman already said that he wouldnít kill of Sally or Gwen. He mightíve changed his mind eventually but I like it better that he didnít.

    I love that time actually passed in the show. Thatís probably the thing that I loved most about it.
    True, they did say Gwen wouldn't die in the series (for DTVs would be another story)...In fact them planning to keep her around throughout the series would make it sting more if they adapted her death due to the audience gaining an attachment to the character. Oh it would have been AMAZING. Oh well, you know, the Mouse and all that.

    I definitely feel like them showing the seasons passing would be something to take around from that series for future animated entries...with most animated series being stuck in perpetual spring/summer with an odd holiday episode every now and then makes it seem like major crime only happens on holidays specifically and the spring/summer. I liked Spectacular's approach of continuing the seasons/holidays from arc to arc. It made it feel like the events just happened to take place during the holidays rather than nothing of note happening until the holidays. I mean Mysterio and Kraven's intro episodes took place after Thanksgiving and before Christmas. This is a contrast to fighting Venom on Thanksgiving, going back to default spring/summer for a couple episodes and then jumping back to Christmas for another holiday episode later. So maybe having snow in episodes that don't just happen to take place near Christmas would be something to consider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugo Strange View Post
    But most of the people won't.
    As it is there hasn't been a single Superman cartoon since Superman the Animated Series. DC keep giving Batman second chances like that "The Batman" series followed by "Beware the Batman" but Superman hasn't had a cartoon series to him (not including those home videos they keep putting out) since the end of JLU.

    You know here's something not many people know. In the cartoon Superman the Animated Series, Bruce Timm featured Lana Lang. But he introduced her occasionally, and when he did he had Lana Lang be a fashion designer who knew Clark Kent from Smallville high and who figured out his secret identity back then and becomes a confidant when she meets him again.

    Bruce Timm basically made Lana Lang into Mary Jane Watson, and here's his design for Lana.

    3478703-8628284279-Lana_.jpg

    It's kind of funny that the most comics' accurate version of MJ in backstory and design comes in a Superman cartoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    It's kind of funny that the most comics' accurate version of MJ in backstory and design comes in a Superman cartoon.
    90's and Spectacular were very comics' accurate. Unlimited had an accurate design and even MTV's had an accurate backstory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    As it is there hasn't been a single Superman cartoon since Superman the Animated Series. DC keep giving Batman second chances like that "The Batman" series followed by "Beware the Batman" but Superman hasn't had a cartoon series to him (not including those home videos they keep putting out) since the end of JLU.
    The Legion cartoon was technically a Superman cartoon, even if he wasn't always the focus character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    The Legion cartoon was technically a Superman cartoon, even if he wasn't always the focus character.
    I think Lois didn't appears in two animation, both based on Superboy (before they ever met each other).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    As it is there hasn't been a single Superman cartoon since Superman the Animated Series. DC keep giving Batman second chances like that "The Batman" series followed by "Beware the Batman" but Superman hasn't had a cartoon series to him (not including those home videos they keep putting out) since the end of JLU.

    You know here's something not many people know. In the cartoon Superman the Animated Series, Bruce Timm featured Lana Lang. But he introduced her occasionally, and when he did he had Lana Lang be a fashion designer who knew Clark Kent from Smallville high and who figured out his secret identity back then and becomes a confidant when she meets him again.

    Bruce Timm basically made Lana Lang into Mary Jane Watson, and here's his design for Lana.

    3478703-8628284279-Lana_.jpg

    It's kind of funny that the most comics' accurate version of MJ in backstory and design comes in a Superman cartoon.
    That's actually a very good point, and while people can tout certain similarities between Spider-Man and Batman (both lost their parents in an act of criminal violence, both have motifs based on scary/creepy animals, both deal a lot with street and organized crime, both supplement their skills and abilities with gadgetry), in spirit Spider-Man hews closer to Superman than Batman (both are deep down ordinary guys just trying to do good in the world even though they have all those powers at their disposal, both were raised by adoptive parents from whom they inherited their moral compasses, both wear red and blue, both work in the news media and ironically for the same newspapers that cover their alter egos' adventures, both have as an archenemy a megalomaniacal multibillionaire in green and purple who feels entitled to do and take whatever he wants and resents anyone that gets in the way of that).

    As for your other point about how DC keeps giving Batman shot after shot in animation while leaving its other great characters to languish in relative obscurity, I'd agree with that, but in between The Batman and Beware the Batman, there was Batman: The Brave and the Bold, which was basically "Batman Team-Up" and an unabashed love letter to the Silver Age.
    The spider is always on the hunt.

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    Pokemon is a anime for children, but it has its touching moments like today's episode.



    I miss this moments in Spidey's animated series.

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    have an episode with Iceman and 616 Firestar. (not Liz Allen).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hybrid View Post
    I feel like the time is right for a new Spider-Man animated series, and a good one, for several reasons:
    1. They have the perfect platform for it: Disney+. Thus, no middleman and they can just make the best stories they can make.
    2. Kevin Feige is the new creative lead of Marvel, thus increasing our chances of good animation.
    3. Jeph Loeb is likely no longer at Marvel, thus increasing our chances of good animation even more.

    Jeph Loeb was the one who was responsible for all Marvel animation, and under him the crap they put out was the kind that only a five year old could enjoy. He openly thinks cartoons are dumb, despite being in the position to make them, and lo and behold all the crap we got. But now there's a very real chance to get a good Spider-Man animated series again. It's unlikely to be Spectacular Spider-Man though, both due to time passed and it still being owned by Sony, but we can still get something great.

    Here's how I'd do it:
    1. I'd set Spider-Man as part of a shared world, similar to Spider-Man: The Animated Series in this regard, but the focus is still primarily on his corner. We do get the occasional crossover, but never at the cost of his own mythos.
    2. The lore would be "remixed" in a way similar to other series. Spidey and his setting is modernized with Spidey and his cast being Gen Z from the start, similar to how Spider-Man PS4 did it. I would give some villains new backstories and appearances, like how Mr. Negative got his powers from Osborn in PS4, to better tie the lore together.
    3. Overall, it distills many elements of different verses, such as the 616 comics (Lee-Ditko, '80s, present), Ultimate, the Raimi Trilogy, the MCU, PS4, and other animated series, to make for a unique take.
    4. Going with the shared world idea, I would spin-off other series from this, such as X-Men, Fantastic Four, and the Avengers, with crossover potential across the board.
    5. Each season has a different story but is tied together by common plot threads. The first models itself after Lee-Ditko being about Spidey's origins to becoming his own man, the second is about a more experienced Spider-Man with more appearances from other Marvel properties in the mix like in the '80s, the third is the Symbiote arc, the fourth is about Spidey's adventures in the wide universe, and the fifth is a back to basics return to form.

    Anyways, what ideas do you have? Discuss.
    Another good Idea for a new Spider-Man series is to follow the example of the Japanese anime that closely follows the manga storyline like Naruto. This would mean that the series has to start from where Amazing Fantasy #15 and Amazing Spider-Man #1 began and go all the way up to ASM #350. This would mean that Marvel could produce one new episode a week on average as they do with the One Piece anime in Japan. Would anyone be interested with this idea for the new Spider-Man animated series?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NC_Yankee View Post
    Dan Slott says hi. He removed her, and he is not the only one. Marvel has tried numerous times to replace her ( not just OMD). Some writter favoring say Felicia, Gwen or Cindy come to mind. But try as they may, they fail. How come? Most Spider-Man fans prefer her. Why? 1:"She is a great character with many aspects to her. 2: She mixes well with Pete.
    What Marvel could have done (following the BND era) was to make Betty Brant Peter's love interest once again. This could start with rebuilding their friendship from the ground up. The past decade after OMD could have featured Betty as Peter's confidant. Instead, it was wasted with love interest that was not developed properly. Marvel even rejected the potential relationship development with Peter and Carol Danvers/or Jessica Drew. There is potential to make a relationship work. But if it doesn't start at the friends level as it did with MJ, Gwen, and Betty Brant, it will fall a part.

    Peter's relationship with Carlie Cooper and Mockingbird failed because the writer didn't establish their friendship development. I would rather see Peter's relationship with Betty Brant or Jennifer Walters as friends for 10 years before any sort of romance develop. The only reason why Marvel can't get rid of MJ was because her relationship with Peter started out as friends. It took almost a full decade before MJ and Peter began a serious relationship. And the reason why their marriage worked so well was because it was not perfect from the start. People can relate to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PCN24454 View Post
    The problem I have with that is that I don’t really feel the need to include her in every waking moment of Peter’s life. It’s annoying that with all the characters the current Spider-Man show already has, people keep on clamoring for MJ.
    I know what you mean. It's annoying to see MJ everywhere. It's not necessary as she's a supporting character in his world. The main reason why people want MJ as Peter's love interest and no one else is because they started out as friends. All of Peter's other relationships did not have the opportunity to have a slow friendship development. It could had worked with Mockingbird or Carlie Cooper if the focus was on their developing relationship as friends. The same could had been said towards Peter's relationship with Carol Danvers and Jessica Drew, who were respectively attracted to him. Good thing that Slott never bothered using Carol Danvers or Jennifer Walters as Peter's love interest because he would have destroyed it..

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