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    Default Does Venom feel more independent and divorced from the Spider-Man mythos now?

    I've been keeping up with Donny Cates' run on Venom and it feels like he's done a major job in divorcing Venom from being a Spider-Man property within the Marvel Universe, and instead feels like an independent entity. This shows in multiple ways, such as presence of The Maker, the Symbiotes tying heavily into Cosmic Marvel such as Asgard and the Silver Surfer, and the Absolute Carnage event being Marvel-wide instead of a Spider-crossover. The general feel did not make me think "I'm reading a Spider-title", as much as it was that I was reading an independent hero altogether.

    Though it's true it features Venom teaming up with Miles Morales in the first arc, that honestly feels less to do with the Spider mythos and more to do with one hero teaming up with another, especially since Cates is a major fan of Ultimate Marvel and integrated those elements in (Miles and the aforementioned Maker). I really like it, and this is coming from someone who never was a big fan of Venom, mainly because the art and storytelling popped out to me and I've stayed on it.

    Of course, legally speaking, Venom will always be tied to Spider-Man hence Sony owns the film rights. But from a story and presentation standpoint, does Venom feel more like his own entity than a Spider-Man sub-franchise?

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    This is the single best thing about Cates and Stegman's run. Space alien monster suit should have never been confined to street level, edgy alt. Spider-Man stories, even when those stories finally got good with Agent Venom.
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    Venom will always have his origins in Spider-Man, but yes, he doesn't NEED Spider-man and I feel that the latest run has done a good job of establishing his own thing. Even when Spider-Man does show up, like in Absolute Carnage, Venom still feels different. More independent. I'm loving every second of it.

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    Honestly it's the kind of stuff Venom's needed for a long time to further establish his own identity as a solo show.

    That does kind of bring up the question of 'should Venom ever be a villain for Spider-Man again in the mainstream comics?' I think him being bankable as his own solo brand pretty much doesn't allow it in the comics.

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    I havenít followed Gates run on Venom. I know Iím missing out because just about everyone Iíve heard talk about it speaks highly. I got the first TPB....Loved it and Iím following Absolute Carnage right now. From what Iíve read this is by far the best interpretation of the character ever. Gates has actually found a way to give Eddie enough depth to stand on his own with or without the suit and injected some much needed life into the world of Symbiotes. On top of that Venom is now a strong enough character to stand on his own two feet without Spider-Man. Donít get me wrong, those two function better when theyíre around each other but Venom doesnít need Spider-Man anymore to be relevant and thatís completely due to Gates.

    Spider-Man and Venom will always be linked. Thereís no escaping that. Thereís just too much history and back story between them. Another thing Gates did was evolve their relationship with each other and in doing so added another layer to the character. For the first time in what seems like forever, I think itís safe to say that Venom is a fully functioning character with layers of depth...all thanks to Gates

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    Dude still wears a Spider-man costume with a tongue, so I don't really feel he is divorced.

    I actually think Cates has done a great job re-establishing Venom in Spider-man's universe and giving him a renewed purpose for being there. Look at Absolute Carnage (which is excellent!), he has Peter right there with Venom through most of it and learning and having to truly trust Eddie. He feels right as part of Spidey's world again, while establishing more of a world for himself without being dependent so on Spider-man himself.

    While I don't agree with everything they've done, I could gush about the current Venom series all day as it's been such a fun ride and easily the best run in years.
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    I mean, just a few weeks ago I watched an episode of a Spider-Man cartoon where Spider-Man fought Venom and the next season of said show has Venom primed as the main villain...so not really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    I mean, just a few weeks ago I watched an episode of a Spider-Man cartoon where Spider-Man fought Venom and the next season of said show has Venom primed as the main villain...so not really?
    I was referring to the context of the comics.

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    Besides, what the show is doing is really a loose adaptation of Venomized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digifiend View Post
    Besides, what the show is doing is really a loose adaptation of Venomized.
    It feels like a mix of stuff. Venomized, Planet of the Symbiotes, Absolute Carnage...

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    I think what we've seen the last 10 years is Marvel Editorial and/or creative talent saying something like, "where are Venoms roots" and "what hasn't been fully explored or in depth analyzed"

    Let's not forget the symbiote originated in space. It is by definition alien and sentient as much as any Kree, Xandarian or Skrull. All alien races explored a lot over the last 40years. Marvel is seizing upon really expanding the Symbitoes and all the who's of that civilization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Craig View Post
    I think what we've seen the last 10 years is Marvel Editorial and/or creative talent saying something like, "where are Venoms roots" and "what hasn't been fully explored or in depth analyzed"

    Let's not forget the symbiote originated in space. It is by definition alien and sentient as much as any Kree, Xandarian or Skrull. All alien races explored a lot over the last 40years. Marvel is seizing upon really expanding the Symbitoes and all the who's of that civilization.
    Reminds me of how the Shi'ar originated in X-Men but have impacted just about everything from the Avengers to Cosmic Marvel.

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    ^^^^
    Good comparison that I should've thought of while making that post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    It feels like a mix of stuff. Venomized, Planet of the Symbiotes, Absolute Carnage...
    I would throw in the Web of Shadows video game as well, which was Venomized a decade before Venomized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    I would throw in the Web of Shadows video game as well, which was Venomized a decade before Venomized.
    oh i love that game I keep picking the bad choices as Peter though like saving Felicia is considered bad which I found pretty stupid at the time
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